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Best Tunes from the 2T
#21
Hat tip to 2 of my 1958 Boomer cousins for turning me on to Deep Purple. Big Grin Cool 





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#22
Many guys today may forget that one of the greatest aspects of the Awakening was women's liberation, and simultaneously, the trend at least for a while for men to become less obsessively macho and adopt some of the positive traits of women. And sometimes 2T music reflected that. Posts by Rags, although I may agree with some of them, emphasize how often that feminine traits in music, and its less aggressive and blatantly overt assertiveness, charged with sexual and anger overtones, and more possessed of the sensitivity which was the primary virtue of The Awakening, are ignored or devalued even despite the Awakening-- especially by Generation Xers; even though I agree with some of their cultural choices among the Awakening's legacy. I like Led Zeppelin, Bad Company, Deep Purple, Jimi Hendrix and so on, but amid the emphasis on remembering the hard rock and punk styles, the more gentle and sensitive aspect is forgotten. That's one reason I posted this forgotten epic song (one among many others) that captures the actual spirit of The Awakening as few other songs do.



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#23




Bill Moyers on Suzanne by Judy Collins and Leonard Cohen
https://youtu.be/Ijqp4s9JDOc
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#24
Real Awakening gospel! Laura Nyro song performed by Marilyn McCoo and the Fifth Dimension group.





Save the Country
The 5th Dimension
Come on, people, come on, children
Come on down to the glory river.
Gonna wash you up, and wash you down,
Gonna lay the devil down, gonna lay that devil down.

Come on, people! Come on, children!
There's a king at the glory river
And the precious king, he loved the people to sing;
Babes in the blinkin' sun sang
"We Shall Overcome".

I got fury in my soul, fury's gonna take me to the glory goal
In my mind I can't study war no more.
Save the people, save the children, save the country

Come on, people come on, children
Come on down to the glory river
Gonna wash you up and wash you down
Gonna lay the devil down, gonna lay that devil down
Come on people! Sons and mothers
Keep the dream of the two young brothers
Gonna take that dream and ride that dove
We could build the dream with love, I know,
We could build the dream with love, I know,
We could build a dream with love, children,
We could build the dream with love, oh people,
We could build the dream with love, I know,
We could build the dream with love.

I got fury in my soul, fury's gonna take me to the glory goal
In my mind I can't study war no more.
Save the people, save the children, save the country now!

Songwriters: Laura Nyro
Save the Country lyrics © Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC
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#25
(10-24-2016, 05:30 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Many guys today may forget that one of the greatest aspects of the Awakening was women's liberation, and simultaneously, the trend at least for a while for men to become less obsessively macho and adopt some of the positive traits of women. And sometimes 2T music reflected that. Posts by Rags, although I may agree with some of them, emphasize how often that feminine traits in music, and its less aggressive and blatantly overt assertiveness, charged with sexual and anger overtones, and more possessed of the sensitivity which was the primary virtue of The Awakening, are ignored or devalued even despite the Awakening-- especially by Generation Xers; even though I agree with some of their cultural choices among the Awakening's legacy. I like Led Zeppelin, Bad Company, Deep Purple, Jimi Hendrix and so on, but amid the emphasis on remembering the hard rock and punk styles, the more gentle and sensitive aspect is forgotten. That's one reason I posted this forgotten epic song (one among many others) that captures the actual spirit of The Awakening as few other songs do.

<snip vid>

Eric forgets how old Rags was. Big Grin    Teenage boys don't think about the things Eric mentions above.

Here's another top album for Rags.





And... Eric forgets Rags has other Awakening stuff he likes. [Environmentalism, stick it to the man, assorted herbs, antiwar ]
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#26
(10-24-2016, 06:17 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: Eric forgets how old Rags was. Big Grin    Teenage boys don't think about the things Eric mentions above.

I did, of course; as did many Boomer awakened guys! (Gen Xers, in general, maybe not?)

The song I made the video for (and bought the single for then) came out when I was 16, and Suzanne also. I was 19 when I first heard and enjoyed Save the Country. Plus, Laura Nyro's first hit single (which I knew and liked well of course) dates from the same year as the other two.

Plus it doesn't matter how old you are when you hear a song. A song is a song; music is music. As was said on a bootleg album by The Who I bought: "It's in the vinyl!"

It IS possible (if apparently unlikely) that someone can appreciate a song I post (or someone else posts) that you haven't (or someone hasn't) heard before, or isn't in a genre you are used to. Even YOU, Mr. Rags! Think about that. Quite a concept!

Something else that I notice. Your taste has not changed since you were a teenager. You like the same kinda stuff!

Quote:And... Eric forgets Rags has other Awakening stuff he likes. [Environmentalism, stick it to the man, assorted herbs, antiwar ]

No, I didn't forget Smile
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#27
(10-24-2016, 06:08 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: Consider blotting out the license plate? Driving

Doesn't matter now; Terri the Car is deceased.

(same year as the video)
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#28
(10-24-2016, 05:30 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Many guys today may forget that one of the greatest aspects of the Awakening was women's liberation, and simultaneously, the trend at least for a while for men to become less obsessively macho and adopt some of the positive traits of women. And sometimes 2T music reflected that. Posts by Rags, although I may agree with some of them, emphasize how often that feminine traits in music, and its less aggressive and blatantly overt assertiveness, charged with sexual and anger overtones, and more possessed of the sensitivity which was the primary virtue of The Awakening, are ignored or devalued even despite the Awakening-- especially by Generation Xers; even though I agree with some of their cultural choices among the Awakening's legacy. I like Led Zeppelin, Bad Company, Deep Purple, Jimi Hendrix and so on, but amid the emphasis on remembering the hard rock and punk styles, the more gentle and sensitive aspect is forgotten. That's one reason I posted this forgotten epic song (one among many others) that captures the actual spirit of The Awakening as few other songs do.

I don't think that's necessarily true.  You have a tendency to point out the tastes of specific (mostly male) individuals here in these forums and claim that as the general Gen X taste, while ignoring the opinions of other Gen Xers, particularly the female ones.  That's not very enlightened of you.

I (and others) have given you many samples of 3T and Gen X music with feminine and gentle characteristics, and many with idealistic themes, so I don't think that aspect of the Awakening was ignored by Generation X.  Anyway, the aggressive masculine stuff can be fun and exciting--rock n roll, man!  (Didn't you guys used to say that?)

Also, I think punk rock was not so much about aggressive masculinity as it was about using sarcasm and perversity as a way to shock people out of their complacency and get them to think about things.  



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#29
(10-24-2016, 11:13 PM)gabrielle Wrote:
(10-24-2016, 05:30 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Many guys today may forget that one of the greatest aspects of the Awakening was women's liberation, and simultaneously, the trend at least for a while for men to become less obsessively macho and adopt some of the positive traits of women. And sometimes 2T music reflected that. Posts by Rags, although I may agree with some of them, emphasize how often that feminine traits in music, and its less aggressive and blatantly overt assertiveness, charged with sexual and anger overtones, and more possessed of the sensitivity which was the primary virtue of The Awakening, are ignored or devalued even despite the Awakening-- especially by Generation Xers; even though I agree with some of their cultural choices among the Awakening's legacy. I like Led Zeppelin, Bad Company, Deep Purple, Jimi Hendrix and so on, but amid the emphasis on remembering the hard rock and punk styles, the more gentle and sensitive aspect is forgotten. That's one reason I posted this forgotten epic song (one among many others) that captures the actual spirit of The Awakening as few other songs do.

I don't think that's necessarily true.  You have a tendency to point out the tastes of specific (mostly male) individuals here in these forums and claim that as the general Gen X taste, while ignoring the opinions of other Gen Xers, particularly the female ones.  That's not very enlightened of you.

Ho hmmmm. I was speaking of guys here. Again, you forgot; I was responding to what Rags posted. So why argue with me?

You forget I am a follower of musical tastes and surveys and such; I know which 2T songs make it high in the lists now, and which ones have been forgotten.

Quote:I (and others) have given you many samples of 3T and Gen X music with feminine and gentle characteristics, and many with idealistic themes, so I don't think that aspect of the Awakening was ignored by Generation X.  Anyway, the aggressive masculine stuff can be fun and exciting--rock n roll, man!  (Didn't you guys used to say that?)

Fun? Some of it, for those who prefer. Mostly 2T rock for me is fun, because in the 3T the aggressive masculine stuff mostly lost its musical qualities, which is the "fun" I look for in music, even IF also macho and aggressive (like The Who, my favorite band). Because 3T hard rock IS the way it is, I don't think the interest in sensitivity was shown in it much at all. (and come on, folks, talk about obvious). Cynical survivalist and "oh whatever" Gen X attitudes and support in youth for conservative politics is not very sensitive either. (nor are Boomers very sensitive either, in later 3T times and nowadays; massive "sell-out" man!). But don't get me wrong, I welcome your contrary opinions and listen to them.

And I've given you credit when you posted stuff I like, so, so what?

(and thanks for pointing out that about Tomorrow Never Knows; didn't know)

Off hand I can't remember other female Gen Xers who have posted about music here. "Felix?" She was very hard to agree with in any case.

Quote:Also, I think punk rock was not so much about aggressive masculinity as it was about using sarcasm and perversity as a way to shock people out of their complacency and get them to think about things.  

I'll listen to that one later. But as for punk rock, I still want (musical) quality in my music; no excuses. But pop punk and/or post punk had some good stuff, I think (as you know).
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#30
I thought Save the Country was especially interesting as 2T music because it combines the traditional spiritual revival with the social themes and leaders of our 2T, in an uplifting musical mix. Here's another one like that, and another female classic (of course I posted this too on the other thread):



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#31
(10-24-2016, 11:44 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Fun? Some of it, for those who prefer. Mostly 2T rock, because in the 3T the aggressive masculine stuff mostly lost its musical qualities, which is the "fun" I look for in music, even IF also macho and aggressive (like The Who, my favorite band).

Again, 3T rock did not lack musical qualities.  But I know I'm not going to get anywhere with you here.

Quote:Off hand I can't remember other female Gen Xers who have posted about music here.

I remember at least one on the old forum (not Felix, I don't think she was Gen X).  

Quote:I'll listen to that one later. But as for punk rock, I still want (musical) quality in my music; no excuses. But pop punk and/or post punk had some good stuff, I think (as you know).

70s/80s post-punk, yes, but pop punk, like Green Day and Blink 182, not so much.  Just a week ago a young coworker and Green Day fan was telling me that that band was charging their fans $400 for a "VIP package" to their show (which apparently includes early access to seating and merch counter, some free trinkets and a Subway sandwich).  No real punk rock band would do anything like that.  The music doesn't really do a lot for me, either.
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#32
Looks like I have been missing out on my favourite topic with Eric pmsl. Your are right, Gabrielle. He will not listen. You know what they say about old dogs. I think out of the two (Eric and myself)I am the one who is more open minded about music as my taste spans across all genres, all eras and I try to understand them all as to why they are the way they are as well as completely enjoy it and/or get caught up in the emotion of the music. I get what he is saying about some music loosing sensitivity. But that is not the point with some songs. Some have another message to convey and the sound is the emotion. I also get what he is saying about lack of musical quality given I listen to all types of songs from all eras. I think what he is partly meaning is how many instruments are used and how they are used. Nowadays most bands just have electric guitar and drums. Maybe a keyboard. There are some that do use more instruments nowadays like symphonic metal which incorporates old and new world sound.
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#33
(10-25-2016, 12:55 AM)gabrielle Wrote: Again, 3T rock did not lack musical qualities.  But I know I'm not going to get anywhere with you here.

No; I don't know why anyone would deny it. It's so obvious. But then, I'm sure you can find exceptions, and you have; like Bikini Kill. You have posted some good songs, but most of them that I like I don't think you could call "hard rock." (grunge or metal). They were more like ballads, like Tori; good work. And electronica, you posted a couple of good artists there, at least. But you don't seem to mind posting a lot of grunge and hard rock in your "lost years" thread that you know I consider obviously non-musical. I'm always willing to give music in any genre a try, though.

For me, the first half of the 3T were good times. But I didn't live in the world of pop culture; only in fringe new age culture. As I said, there was enough there to keep me engaged in those days; very much promoting it too. Some Gen Xers involved, to be sure, especially in the rave/electronica culture of the 90s.

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Quote:Off hand I can't remember other female Gen Xers who have posted about music here.

I remember at least one on the old forum (not Felix, I don't think she was Gen X).  

Well, I don't remember any either, then. Just You Smile The ones you mean I suspect were late boomers. I know you have pretty good taste, at least outside the 3T; I can't account for your liking of 3T hard rock, except that it's what you grew up with. We all want to be hip with what's going on at that age. For me, what was hip was the new age culture, but I was in my 30s.

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Quote:I'll listen to that one later. But as for punk rock, I still want (musical) quality in my music; no excuses. But pop punk and/or post punk had some good stuff, I think (as you know).

70s/80s post-punk, yes, but pop punk, like Green Day and Blink 182, not so much.  Just a week ago a young coworker and Green Day fan was telling me that that band was charging their fans $400 for a "VIP package" to their show (which apparently includes early access to seating and merch counter, some free trinkets and a Subway sandwich).  No real punk rock band would do anything like that.  The music doesn't really do a lot for me, either.

Green Day is a fine group; good music and fine post-punk or pop punk or whatever you want to call it. I don't know Blink 182. There are others I like; it can be a good genre. But the "real punk" from the earlier 3T and late 2T; no thanks; my same overall judgement applies to that genre as to heavy metal and grunge. At least I haven't heard much that I like. The examples that Kepi posted were horrible. If those genres and rap had other qualities besides the musical that make them interesting, I wouldn't deny at all. But for me; no excuses for bad music.

I know there's always exceptions to my judgements; so please don't judge me too harshly for them. I also like some of the new wave from the turn of the 3T, as I've said. It was better than late 2T disco, for sure. That Crass song seems like sexy girl punk. It was OK. I'm not real sure where the line between punk and new wave is.
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#34
Nights in White Satin is a classic song that helped break new ground. Good performance there. My favorite Moodie came about a year later:



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#35
I believe Eric is a fan of "The Who" so I would be fascinated by his response to what is said in this article. Here is one person's analysis......

" If hip-hop music was characterized as a two-way spectrum it would probably go from:

1. Party music on one end…
2. To social and political commentary on the other end.

Both are relevant around the world to young people, impoverished/marginalized groups, and social and political movements. It's an accessible, inexpensive genre to hop into that doesn't require instruments/money to invest; though musicians are certainly never a downside ie. groups like The Roots.

Roger Daltrey is probably saying that hip-hop is the genre containing the disproportionate amount of social and political commentary today. Imo, it’s true. Getting past the party music, hip-hop is talking about some pretty serious/dark experiences and topics, and usually in a raw/uncensored manner to convey what it’s like for people on the street level.

Compared to most other genres, hip-hop artists tend to come from the darker corners of society, and the great rappers/MC's have the ability to illustrate that experience."

I will add that the sound conveys how people feel about the issues that this type of music is trying to get across to people. The sound heightens the emotion/topic at hand. Not all topics will be happy ones therefore it makes sense to not have sensitivity/feminine leaning sound. The masculine sound is so because it is more forceful because of the fact it is a message that wants and needs to be heard. Ok here is the article.

Roger Daltrey: Rap Is More Relevant Than Rock Read more: http://radio1045.iheart.com/articles/roc...evant-than rock
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#36
I just want to be clear that I am not a fan of rap. There have been a few songs I liked but this is analyzing the message in songs which i find fascinating. Especially since Eric is a fan of the who and even this man mentions how the message is important. Not just a particular sound which Eric is after.
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#37
You certainly have a point there, X_4AD
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#38
(10-25-2016, 01:56 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: But you don't seem to mind posting a lot of grunge and hard rock in your "lost years" thread that you know I consider obviously non-musical. 

Yep, I knew it and I posted them anyway.  Because I was posting what I consider the best songs of the era.

Quote:That Crass song seems like sexy girl punk. It was OK. 

Crass had both male and female members.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crass

[Image: crass_crass_bandcamp_com.jpg]

I hope by "sexy" you're not referring to the picture on their album cover, used in the video.  With the "teenage" blow-up/blow-job doll.
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#39
"I'll make no subscription to your paradise."  --most (eloquently put) punk rock phrase ever.  



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#40
You tell him Gabrielle. You do not have to post what he considers music just to satisfy him. Post what you consider the best.
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