Still-powerful Silents

[Eric the Green]

(02-21-2019, 12:19 AM)Marypoza Wrote:

(02-20-2019, 10:05 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-20-2019, 03:48 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-19-2019, 04:38 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-18-2019, 07:42 PM)Marypoza Wrote: - Bernie would of made it in 2016 if he hadn't been cheated. Will they screw him over in 2020 as well? Maybe Uncle Joe. The DNC will probably feel they owe it 2 him

No, Bernie wasn't cheated. He lost. The DNC doesn't have the power to shift a 15% voting gap.

I have to agree with Maryposa.  Sanders was running high hurdles while Hillary had the sprint lane.  She also had the super-delegates, which was an impossible burden to overcome.  Bernie's chief fault was not working the party apparatus for support.  Hillary got most of the power-Dems by default.  Then again, the party had decided on Hillary, since BHO had pushed her aside in 2008.  It would have taken a miracle for anyone to overcome that, and Bernie, as Democratic Socialist, was an unlikely miracle worker.

I don't think the fact that the powers in the party were behind Hillary caused the 15% voting gap. The party and the super delegates do not choose the nominee; the voters do. The superdelegates go along with whoever wins the primary votes, as they did in 2008. 

-- yeah right. Like the superds who refused 2 back Bernie after he won their states. Such as Al "my judgement is better than yours" Franken. That from a dude whose signature routine is a hare krishna devotee getting his ponytail cut off

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-IKC5Be3fuM

I am warming up to Bernie as my favorite for the nomination. After all, he lays out the issues that we need to address better than anyone, and he stands for principles and acts on them. He's a straight-up honest guy who doesn't rely on big money, and he can inspire people. He seems so far vital enough to defy his age and get support of youth. 

He will need to stick to his principles and at the same time somehow assure people that he is pro-American and respects the proper place of business in American life, and be able to counter-act the socialist label that Trump will fasten to him. Trump will throw labels, and Bernie will emphasize real policy proposals and real needs that people have. It will be up to the people to do the right thing in enough numbers to counteract the rigged nature of the general election. He will also need to join the Democratic Party and get the backing of all the Democrats, just the way Trump now has all the Republicans behind him, in order to accomplish his goals.

If he is nominated and chooses Tulsi as his running mate, however, I will think twice about voting for him in November. Tulsi is a liar and a phony nationalist who is not really anti-war.

Bernie has a chance, but I hope McAuliffe runs too, because he has the best chance of beating Trump of anyone likely to run. He'd be a good running mate too that would lock up a state Bernie needs. It would make sure to take McAuliffe off the Clinton rails and onto the Bernie train, and be someone who can follow old Bernie in 2024. The more people run who actually can win, the better. So far, the applicants for the job of presidential candidate do not measure up. I don't know if McAuliffe will accept a veep role; he likes to be the one in charge.

Bernie can be the still-powerful Silent, and the still powerful native of the Uranus-Neptune trine.

[Ragnarök_62]

(03-11-2019, 02:50 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-21-2019, 12:19 AM)Marypoza Wrote:

(02-20-2019, 10:05 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-20-2019, 03:48 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-19-2019, 04:38 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: No, Bernie wasn't cheated. He lost. The DNC doesn't have the power to shift a 15% voting gap.

I have to agree with Maryposa.  Sanders was running high hurdles while Hillary had the sprint lane.  She also had the super-delegates, which was an impossible burden to overcome.  Bernie's chief fault was not working the party apparatus for support.  Hillary got most of the power-Dems by default.  Then again, the party had decided on Hillary, since BHO had pushed her aside in 2008.  It would have taken a miracle for anyone to overcome that, and Bernie, as Democratic Socialist, was an unlikely miracle worker.

I don't think the fact that the powers in the party were behind Hillary caused the 15% voting gap. The party and the super delegates do not choose the nominee; the voters do. The superdelegates go along with whoever wins the primary votes, as they did in 2008. 

-- yeah right. Like the superds who refused 2 back Bernie after he won their states. Such as Al "my judgement is better than yours" Franken. That from a dude whose signature routine is a hare krishna devotee getting his ponytail cut off

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-IKC5Be3fuM

I am warming up to Bernie as my favorite for the nomination. After all, he lays out the issues that we need to address better than anyone, and he stands for principles and acts on them. He's a straight-up honest guy who doesn't rely on big money, and he can inspire people. He seems so far vital enough to defy his age and get support of youth. 

He will need to stick to his principles and at the same time somehow assure people that he is pro-American and respects the proper place of business in American life, and be able to counter-act the socialist label that Trump will fasten to him. Trump will throw labels, and Bernie will emphasize real policy proposals and real needs that people have. It will be up to the people to do the right thing in enough numbers to counteract the rigged nature of the general election. He will also need to join the Democratic Party and get the backing of all the Democrats, just the way Trump now has all the Republicans behind him, in order to accomplish his goals.

If he is nominated and chooses Tulsi as his running mate, however, I will think twice about voting for him in November. Tulsi is a liar and a phony nationalist who is not really anti-war.

Bernie has a chance, but I hope McAuliffe runs too, because he has the best chance of beating Trump of anyone likely to run. He'd be a good running mate too that would lock up a state Bernie needs. It would make sure to take McAuliffe off the Clinton rails and onto the Bernie train, and be someone who can follow old Bernie in 2024. The more people run who actually can win, the better. So far, the applicants for the job of presidential candidate do not measure up. I don't know if McAuliffe will accept a veep role; he likes to be the one in charge.

Bernie can be the still-powerful Silent, and the still powerful native of the Uranus-Neptune trine.

I still like Tulsi.  After all, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, man. 
https://www.greanvillepost.com/2019/02/1...excellent/

So, I'm gonna donate to Tulsi, gonna vote for her, and best of all, I'm gonna gloat when the hated Neocons have a cow because, guess what, that's gonna feel so good.

[Marypoza]

Well Uncle Joe's in the fray now so it's probably ovah. B4 it's even bgun. Takes me back 2 the 1980s when Fritzy Ditzy ran. There were several good candidates in the field that yr but noooooo.. Fritzy was the VP & if he wanted 2 run 4 Prez, well dagnabbit, he was gonna run 4 Prez! I thought we're screwed. Even with Geraldine Ferraro making her historic run as the 1st VP candidate. Like my Mama said, honey nobody votes 4 the VP.

I just hope Uncle Joe don't f things up this time around. Or that the DNC don't cheat 2 get him nominated

[David Horn]

(03-14-2019, 04:44 AM)Marypoza Wrote: Well Uncle Joe's in the fray now so it's probably ovah.  B4 it's even bgun. Takes me back 2 the 1980s when Fritzy Ditzy ran. There were several good candidates in the field that yr but noooooo.. Fritzy was the VP & if he wanted 2 run 4 Prez, well dagnabbit, he was gonna run 4 Prez! I thought we're screwed. Even with Geraldine Ferraro making her historic run as the 1st VP candidate. Like my Mama said, honey nobody votes 4 the VP.

I just hope Uncle Joe don't f things up this time around. Or that the DNC don't cheat 2 get him nominated

FWIW, I don't see him making the cut, though he will act like a snowplow and push a few of the less suitable bidders off the road.  This time, we'll know by Xmas who is viable.  If may be a few more than typical for the Dems, but it won't be the circus the GOP had in 2016.  I see Kamala Harris still in the running, and one of the youngish candidates -- probably Beto,  Beyond that, it's a coin toss.

Assume winning the general will be the factor that takes out the otherwise decent candidates.  More than a few have no shot winning there.

[Marypoza]

(03-14-2019, 11:37 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-14-2019, 04:44 AM)Marypoza Wrote: Well Uncle Joe's in the fray now so it's probably ovah.  B4 it's even bgun. Takes me back 2 the 1980s when Fritzy Ditzy ran. There were several good candidates in the field that yr but noooooo.. Fritzy was the VP & if he wanted 2 run 4 Prez, well dagnabbit, he was gonna run 4 Prez! I thought we're screwed. Even with Geraldine Ferraro making her historic run as the 1st VP candidate. Like my Mama said, honey nobody votes 4 the VP.

I just hope Uncle Joe don't f things up this time around. Or that the DNC don't cheat 2 get him nominated

FWIW, I don't see him making the cut, though he will act like a snowplow and push a few of the less suitable bidders off the road.  This time, we'll know by Xmas who is viable.  If may be a few more than typical for the Dems, but it won't be the circus the GOP had in 2016.  I see Kamala Harris still in the running, and one of the youngish candidates -- probably Beto,  Beyond that, it's a coin toss.

Assume winning the general will be the factor that takes out the otherwise decent candidates.  More than a few have no shot winning there.

-- Beto's a douche. Bsides, if the DNC really did insist that Uncle Joe, a.sitting VP sit out the 2016 circus when protocol would say it was his prerogative 2 run, then they owe him.. Not that l agree with that logic imho the DNC should keep it's hands off the primaries & let the voters weed them out. But l suspect they are too far gone 4 that

[David Horn]

(03-14-2019, 05:04 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(03-14-2019, 11:37 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-14-2019, 04:44 AM)Marypoza Wrote: Well Uncle Joe's in the fray now so it's probably ovah.  B4 it's even bgun. Takes me back 2 the 1980s when Fritzy Ditzy ran. There were several good candidates in the field that yr but noooooo.. Fritzy was the VP & if he wanted 2 run 4 Prez, well dagnabbit, he was gonna run 4 Prez! I thought we're screwed. Even with Geraldine Ferraro making her historic run as the 1st VP candidate. Like my Mama said, honey nobody votes 4 the VP.

I just hope Uncle Joe don't f things up this time around. Or that the DNC don't cheat 2 get him nominated

FWIW, I don't see him making the cut, though he will act like a snowplow and push a few of the less suitable bidders off the road.  This time, we'll know by Xmas who is viable.  If may be a few more than typical for the Dems, but it won't be the circus the GOP had in 2016.  I see Kamala Harris still in the running, and one of the youngish candidates -- probably Beto,  Beyond that, it's a coin toss.

Assume winning the general will be the factor that takes out the otherwise decent candidates.  More than a few have no shot winning there.

-- Beto's a douche. Bsides, if the DNC really did insist that Uncle Joe, a.sitting VP sit out the 2016 circus when protocol would say it was his prerogative 2 run, then they owe him.. Not that l agree with that logic imho the DNC should keep it's hands off the primaries & let the voters weed them out. But l suspect they are too far gone 4 that

Love him or hate him. Beto has charisma, and that's bankable in politics.  I have no idea what his platform is.  No one does.  That's one of his strengths in this bizarre world of reality politics.  I doubt it will take him to the big show, but he'll be in it until then.  He has a real shot at VP, and that may be his plan, for all we know.

[Marypoza]

(03-15-2019, 08:53 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-14-2019, 05:04 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(03-14-2019, 11:37 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-14-2019, 04:44 AM)Marypoza Wrote: Well Uncle Joe's in the fray now so it's probably ovah.  B4 it's even bgun. Takes me back 2 the 1980s when Fritzy Ditzy ran. There were several good candidates in the field that yr but noooooo.. Fritzy was the VP & if he wanted 2 run 4 Prez, well dagnabbit, he was gonna run 4 Prez! I thought we're screwed. Even with Geraldine Ferraro making her historic run as the 1st VP candidate. Like my Mama said, honey nobody votes 4 the VP.

I just hope Uncle Joe don't f things up this time around. Or that the DNC don't cheat 2 get him nominated

FWIW, I don't see him making the cut, though he will act like a snowplow and push a few of the less suitable bidders off the road.  This time, we'll know by Xmas who is viable.  If may be a few more than typical for the Dems, but it won't be the circus the GOP had in 2016.  I see Kamala Harris still in the running, and one of the youngish candidates -- probably Beto,  Beyond that, it's a coin toss.

Assume winning the general will be the factor that takes out the otherwise decent candidates.  More than a few have no shot winning there.

-- Beto's a douche. Bsides, if the DNC really did insist that Uncle Joe, a.sitting VP sit out the 2016 circus when protocol would say it was his prerogative 2 run, then they owe him.. Not that l agree with that logic imho the DNC should keep it's hands off the primaries & let the voters weed them out. But l suspect they are too far gone 4 that

Love him or hate him. Beto has charisma, and that's bankable in politics.  I have no idea what his platform is.  No one does.  That's one of his strengths in this bizarre world of reality politics.  I doubt it will take him to the big show, but he'll be in it until then.  He has a real shot at VP, and that may be his plan, for all we know.

--  exactly. He's another bam-bam. All foam, no beer. Sidesteps real questions on the issues, spews alot of bs, sez nothing of substance. His voting record is not all that ( & when l find the article I'll post the link) in sum he's a Big Oil ho & (yet another!) neolibturd. None of which really surprises me. I am leery of anybody the Lame Stream Media pimps including AOC ( there l said it) l like some of her stuff like the New Green Deal, but l still have 2 wonder why the LSM is pimping her. They ignore true progressives like Tulsi, or Merkeley, or my homeboys Dennis & Sherrod. They only cover Bernie cuz they have 2. They are downright hostile 2 other true progressives like those 2 Congresswomen who called out AIPAC.  2 Houses full of men & those 2 chicks are the only ones with balls. Luv those 2. Since the LSM hates them I'm pretty sure they're the real deal

[Ragnarök_62]

(03-14-2019, 05:04 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(03-14-2019, 11:37 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-14-2019, 04:44 AM)Marypoza Wrote: Well Uncle Joe's in the fray now so it's probably ovah.  B4 it's even bgun. Takes me back 2 the 1980s when Fritzy Ditzy ran. There were several good candidates in the field that yr but noooooo.. Fritzy was the VP & if he wanted 2 run 4 Prez, well dagnabbit, he was gonna run 4 Prez! I thought we're screwed. Even with Geraldine Ferraro making her historic run as the 1st VP candidate. Like my Mama said, honey nobody votes 4 the VP.

I just hope Uncle Joe don't f things up this time around. Or that the DNC don't cheat 2 get him nominated

FWIW, I don't see him making the cut, though he will act like a snowplow and push a few of the less suitable bidders off the road.  This time, we'll know by Xmas who is viable.  If may be a few more than typical for the Dems, but it won't be the circus the GOP had in 2016.  I see Kamala Harris still in the running, and one of the youngish candidates -- probably Beto,  Beyond that, it's a coin toss.

Assume winning the general will be the factor that takes out the otherwise decent candidates.  More than a few have no shot winning there.

-- Beto's a douche. Bsides, if the DNC really did insist that Uncle Joe, a.sitting VP sit out the 2016 circus when protocol would say it was his prerogative 2 run, then they owe him.. Not that l agree with that logic imho the DNC should keep it's hands off the primaries & let the voters weed them out. But l suspect they are too far gone 4 that

Looks like a whole shoe store's worth of shoes are gonna be dropping on empty suit Beto as well. My prediction - astrology free of course is loads of comic relief at the debates. Buff my balls Beto 2020!   And of course Sheeple for Beto!

[Marypoza]

(03-16-2019, 02:06 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(03-14-2019, 05:04 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(03-14-2019, 11:37 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-14-2019, 04:44 AM)Marypoza Wrote: Well Uncle Joe's in the fray now so it's probably ovah.  B4 it's even bgun. Takes me back 2 the 1980s when Fritzy Ditzy ran. There were several good candidates in the field that yr but noooooo.. Fritzy was the VP & if he wanted 2 run 4 Prez, well dagnabbit, he was gonna run 4 Prez! I thought we're screwed. Even with Geraldine Ferraro making her historic run as the 1st VP candidate. Like my Mama said, honey nobody votes 4 the VP.

I just hope Uncle Joe don't f things up this time around. Or that the DNC don't cheat 2 get him nominated

FWIW, I don't see him making the cut, though he will act like a snowplow and push a few of the less suitable bidders off the road.  This time, we'll know by Xmas who is viable.  If may be a few more than typical for the Dems, but it won't be the circus the GOP had in 2016.  I see Kamala Harris still in the running, and one of the youngish candidates -- probably Beto,  Beyond that, it's a coin toss.

Assume winning the general will be the factor that takes out the otherwise decent candidates.  More than a few have no shot winning there.

-- Beto's a douche. Bsides, if the DNC really did insist that Uncle Joe, a.sitting VP sit out the 2016 circus when protocol would say it was his prerogative 2 run, then they owe him.. Not that l agree with that logic imho the DNC should keep it's hands off the primaries & let the voters weed them out. But l suspect they are too far gone 4 that

Looks like a whole shoe store's worth of shoes are gonna be dropping on empty suit Beto as well. My prediction - astrology free of course is loads of comic relief at the debates. Buff my balls Beto 2020!   And of course Sheeple for Beto!

-- is that 4 real? Or is that site like the Onion? If it is 4 real then Beto's 1 sick puppy. The Donald looks sane in comparison

[Ragnarök_62]

(03-16-2019, 10:05 AM)Marypoza Wrote:

(03-16-2019, 02:06 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(03-14-2019, 05:04 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(03-14-2019, 11:37 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-14-2019, 04:44 AM)Marypoza Wrote: Well Uncle Joe's in the fray now so it's probably ovah.  B4 it's even bgun. Takes me back 2 the 1980s when Fritzy Ditzy ran. There were several good candidates in the field that yr but noooooo.. Fritzy was the VP & if he wanted 2 run 4 Prez, well dagnabbit, he was gonna run 4 Prez! I thought we're screwed. Even with Geraldine Ferraro making her historic run as the 1st VP candidate. Like my Mama said, honey nobody votes 4 the VP.

I just hope Uncle Joe don't f things up this time around. Or that the DNC don't cheat 2 get him nominated

FWIW, I don't see him making the cut, though he will act like a snowplow and push a few of the less suitable bidders off the road.  This time, we'll know by Xmas who is viable.  If may be a few more than typical for the Dems, but it won't be the circus the GOP had in 2016.  I see Kamala Harris still in the running, and one of the youngish candidates -- probably Beto,  Beyond that, it's a coin toss.

Assume winning the general will be the factor that takes out the otherwise decent candidates.  More than a few have no shot winning there.

-- Beto's a douche. Bsides, if the DNC really did insist that Uncle Joe, a.sitting VP sit out the 2016 circus when protocol would say it was his prerogative 2 run, then they owe him.. Not that l agree with that logic imho the DNC should keep it's hands off the primaries & let the voters weed them out. But l suspect they are too far gone 4 that

Looks like a whole shoe store's worth of shoes are gonna be dropping on empty suit Beto as well. My prediction - astrology free of course is loads of comic relief at the debates. Buff my balls Beto 2020!   And of course Sheeple for Beto!

-- is that 4 real? Or is that site like the Onion? If it is 4 real then Beto's 1 sick puppy. The Donald looks sane in comparison

Yup, it's for real and here's some validation.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...iting.html

[Marypoza]

(03-16-2019, 11:48 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(03-16-2019, 10:05 AM)Marypoza Wrote:

(03-16-2019, 02:06 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(03-14-2019, 05:04 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(03-14-2019, 11:37 AM)David Horn Wrote: FWIW, I don't see him making the cut, though he will act like a snowplow and push a few of the less suitable bidders off the road.  This time, we'll know by Xmas who is viable.  If may be a few more than typical for the Dems, but it won't be the circus the GOP had in 2016.  I see Kamala Harris still in the running, and one of the youngish candidates -- probably Beto,  Beyond that, it's a coin toss.

Assume winning the general will be the factor that takes out the otherwise decent candidates.  More than a few have no shot winning there.

-- Beto's a douche. Bsides, if the DNC really did insist that Uncle Joe, a.sitting VP sit out the 2016 circus when protocol would say it was his prerogative 2 run, then they owe him.. Not that l agree with that logic imho the DNC should keep it's hands off the primaries & let the voters weed them out. But l suspect they are too far gone 4 that

Looks like a whole shoe store's worth of shoes are gonna be dropping on empty suit Beto as well. My prediction - astrology free of course is loads of comic relief at the debates. Buff my balls Beto 2020!   And of course Sheeple for Beto!

-- is that 4 real? Or is that site like the Onion? If it is 4 real then Beto's 1 sick puppy. The Donald looks sane in comparison

Yup, it's for real and here's some validation.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...iting.html

-- some of my more political friends claim Beto's campaign is already DOA. And it's just been launched. I guess we'll see

[David Horn]

(03-16-2019, 12:32 PM)Marypoza Wrote: -- some of my more political friends claim Beto's campaign is already DOA. And it's just been launched. I guess we'll see

Beto is the first true Millennial candidate, with all the warts that implies. Like Trump, he plays the room. He also plays the hive-vibe. He'll be a lesson in how to do it in the future, or not. I suspect he'll do well -- just not well enough to matter.

[Marypoza]

(03-17-2019, 03:26 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-16-2019, 12:32 PM)Marypoza Wrote: -- some of my more political friends claim Beto's campaign is already DOA. And it's just been launched. I guess we'll see

Beto is the first true Millennial candidate, with all the warts that implies.  Like Trump, he plays the room.  He also plays the hive-vibe.  He'll be a lesson in how to do it in the future, or not.  I suspect he'll do well -- just not well enough to matter.

--  Beto's 46. He's an Xer. Tulsi, otoh, @ 38 or 39, she's a Millie

Beto's already made his 1st mistake:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mol...N4nGUVYhdk

That ain't gonna fly with Millies, many of whom work crappy jobs with no health care. If they're working, that is. Or with us younger Boomers who wish the Govt would @ least lower the age 2 60, if not 0. Maybe even older Boomers & Silents, who, even tho they got Medicare, would like the lower Canadian drug prices. That leaves his fellow Xers & that's not a large enough voting block.
 
Unless Beto stops being his evasive self & comes up with something better, he's DOA. If Bernie taught these Millies anything it's to look @ the issues. They shouldn't be falling 4 another empty suit this time round

[gabrielle]

(03-17-2019, 03:26 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-16-2019, 12:32 PM)Marypoza Wrote: -- some of my more political friends claim Beto's campaign is already DOA. And it's just been launched. I guess we'll see

Beto is the first true Millennial candidate, with all the warts that implies.  Like Trump, he plays the room.  He also plays the hive-vibe.  He'll be a lesson in how to do it in the future, or not.  I suspect he'll do well -- just not well enough to matter.

Beto was born in 1972, therefore Core Gen X--and about as steretypically Gen X as you can get, having been a teenage hacker, a twenty-year-old punk rocker in a dress, and so on.   However, there are indications that he may not quite be the advocate for the people that we really need right now.  And I don't trust Tulsi Gabbard, she is too friendly with mass murderers.  Tulsi was born in '81; she could go either way, as far as generation.  Gen Y or "Xennial," I guess.

Pete Buttigieg (born in '82) has just met the donor requirements to be on the panel at the Democratic debates.  I heard him speak a little on NPR a couple of weeks ago and he seemed pretty reasonable.  We'll see.  The primaries are still a long way off.

[gabrielle]

(03-04-2019, 11:59 PM)gabrielle Wrote:

(03-01-2019, 07:48 PM)Hintergrund Wrote: Back to topic!

Martin Scorsese
Margaret Atwood
Dame Maggie Smith
Joan Didion

Also, Jane Goodall.

[Marypoza]

(03-17-2019, 05:22 PM)gabrielle Wrote:

(03-17-2019, 03:26 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-16-2019, 12:32 PM)Marypoza Wrote: -- some of my more political friends claim Beto's campaign is already DOA. And it's just been launched. I guess we'll see

Beto is the first true Millennial candidate, with all the warts that implies.  Like Trump, he plays the room.  He also plays the hive-vibe.  He'll be a lesson in how to do it in the future, or not.  I suspect he'll do well -- just not well enough to matter.

Beto was born in 1972, therefore Core Gen X--and about as steretypically Gen X as you can get, having been a teenage hacker, a twenty-year-old punk rocker in a dress, and so on.   However, there are indications that he may not quite be the advocate for the people that we really need right now.  And I don't trust Tulsi Gabbard, she is too friendly with mass murderers.  Tulsi was born in '81; she could go either way, as far as generation.  Gen Y or "Xennial," I guess.

Pete Buttigieg (born in '82) has just met the donor requirements to be on the panel at the Democratic debates.  I heard him speak a little on NPR a couple of weeks ago and he seemed pretty reasonable.  We'll see.  The primaries are still a long way off.

-- that's not the link l was looking 4, but yeah it pretty much exposes Beto's voting record. Thanx 4 posting it. Somebody on another board called him a repug plant.
As 4 Tulsi, yeah she & my homeboy Dennis did meet with Assad, but l don't think either of them are buddies with the dude. Tulsi just doesn't want the Govt wasting time &  tax $$ & most importantly lives on stoopid wars of choice. I have 2 agree- not only is it fundamentally immoral to send these kidz off 2 die but the $$ can be better spent elsewhere

[David Horn]

(03-17-2019, 04:14 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(03-17-2019, 03:26 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-16-2019, 12:32 PM)Marypoza Wrote: -- some of my more political friends claim Beto's campaign is already DOA. And it's just been launched. I guess we'll see

Beto is the first true Millennial candidate, with all the warts that implies.  Like Trump, he plays the room.  He also plays the hive-vibe.  He'll be a lesson in how to do it in the future, or not.  I suspect he'll do well -- just not well enough to matter.

--  Beto's 46. He's an Xer. Tulsi, otoh, @ 38 or 39, she's a Millie

Beto's already made his 1st mistake: <LINK DELETED>

That ain't gonna fly with Millies, many of whom work crappy jobs with no health care. If they're working, that is. Or with us younger Boomers who wish the Govt would @ least lower the age 2 60, if not 0. Maybe even older Boomers & Silents, who, even tho they got Medicare, would like the lower Canadian drug prices. That leaves his fellow Xers & that's not a large enough voting block.
 
Unless Beto stops being his evasive self & comes up with something better, he's DOA. If Bernie taught these Millies anything it's to look @ the issues. They shouldn't be falling 4 another empty suit this time round

Beto doesn't have to be a Millie to have them in his camp, and they seem to be joining in droves.  Tulsi, on the other hand, is not gaining any friends anywhere, and may start to pull-down support for others in her camp.  If you read her stuff, she just wants to walk away from foreign involvement, which tends to create vacuums to be filled by others.  That's not a policy, even though the long-term goal is right.  On this, Colin Powell had it dead-on.  We broke it; we still own it.  How we get out of stupidity is still a work in progress, but creating another mess isn't it.

And saying that single payer may not be the right way to universal healthcare is posturing, not policy making.  If you say, "I'll travel in any lane that goes the right way" attracts more followers than saying, "This lane, and only this lane."  It may work.  It may not.  It's tactics in service to an unknown strategy … which is the REAL problem.

[David Horn]

(03-17-2019, 05:22 PM)gabrielle Wrote:

(03-17-2019, 03:26 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-16-2019, 12:32 PM)Marypoza Wrote: -- some of my more political friends claim Beto's campaign is already DOA. And it's just been launched. I guess we'll see

Beto is the first true Millennial candidate, with all the warts that implies.  Like Trump, he plays the room.  He also plays the hive-vibe.  He'll be a lesson in how to do it in the future, or not.  I suspect he'll do well -- just not well enough to matter.

Beto was born in 1972, therefore Core Gen X--and about as steretypically Gen X as you can get, having been a teenage hacker, a twenty-year-old punk rocker in a dress, and so on.   However, there are indications that he may not quite be the advocate for the people that we really need right now.  And I don't trust Tulsi Gabbard, she is too friendly with mass murderers.  Tulsi was born in '81; she could go either way, as far as generation.  Gen Y or "Xennial," I guess.

Pete Buttigieg (born in '82) has just met the donor requirements to be on the panel at the Democratic debates.  I heard him speak a little on NPR a couple of weeks ago and he seemed pretty reasonable.  We'll see.  The primaries are still a long way off.

As I noted, Beto only needs to ATTRACT Millies, not be one.  In any  case, I don't think he has the legs for this run.  On Tulsi and Mayor Pete, we're in agreement.  Buttigieg may be the first actual Millie to sit behind the Resolute Desk, but not in 2021.  So where are we?  EW has policy that's doable, but I seriously doubt that she's the candidate this time.  Bernie will be an ideological champion, but I don't see him running either.  On the other hand, Biden can make a run of it, but he's not a likely candidate anymore than Bernie.  So who then?

[Marypoza]

(03-18-2019, 11:30 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-17-2019, 04:14 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(03-17-2019, 03:26 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-16-2019, 12:32 PM)Marypoza Wrote: -- some of my more political friends claim Beto's campaign is already DOA. And it's just been launched. I guess we'll see

Beto is the first true Millennial candidate, with all the warts that implies.  Like Trump, he plays the room.  He also plays the hive-vibe.  He'll be a lesson in how to do it in the future, or not.  I suspect he'll do well -- just not well enough to matter.

--  Beto's 46. He's an Xer. Tulsi, otoh, @ 38 or 39, she's a Millie

Beto's already made his 1st mistake: <LINK DELETED>

That ain't gonna fly with Millies, many of whom work crappy jobs with no health care. If they're working, that is. Or with us younger Boomers who wish the Govt would @ least lower the age 2 60, if not 0. Maybe even older Boomers & Silents, who, even tho they got Medicare, would like the lower Canadian drug prices. That leaves his fellow Xers & that's not a large enough voting block.
 
Unless Beto stops being his evasive self & comes up with something better, he's DOA. If Bernie taught these Millies anything it's to look @ the issues. They shouldn't be falling 4 another empty suit this time round

Beto doesn't have to be a Millie to have them in his camp, and they seem to be joining in droves.  Tulsi, on the other hand, is not gaining any friends anywhere, and may start to pull-down support for others in her camp.  If you read her stuff, she just wants to walk away from foreign involvement, which tends to create vacuums to be filled by others.  That's not a policy, even though the long-term goal is right.  On this, Colin Powell had it dead-on.  We broke it; we still own it.  How we get out of stupidity is still a work in progress, but creating another mess isn't it.

And saying that single payer may not be the right way to universal healthcare is posturing, not policy making.  If you say, "I'll travel in any lane that goes the right way" attracts more followers than saying, "This lane, and only this lane."  It may work.  It may not.  It's tactics in service to an unknown strategy … which is the REAL problem.

---Ok, maybe some Millies are falling 4 his stick. There was a vetting piece on another board exposing Beto's voting record (the link l am looking 4) & there were some Beto trolls on there very upset that Beto was being vetted, that the majority of the members were disinclined 2 vote 4 just any old thing (or blue, in this case ) l suspect maybe they are obots still wanting their rainbow unicorn ponies.

 Seriously,  the Millies as a group have not fared well  economically these past 10 yrs. From shitty jobs to low home ownership, as a group they are not checking off the boxes we consider "doing well" The oldest among them are pushing 40, most of them are not kidz anymore. As Civics, they s/b the group sizing up candiidstes on the issues, & how said candidates will better society as a whole, if l am interpreting S&H correctly. As Gabrielle so nicely put it, Beto isn't the advocate for the ppl we really need right now. The Civics s/b able 2 sniff that out (esp if this old Boomer can) l'll go with Rags on this 1 & say he's an empty suit. The Millies have already fallen en masse 4 1 empty suit. I'm guessing the majority of them, if not older & wiser, are @ least once bitten twice shy. But we'll see.

As 4 Tulsi, if by foreign involvement you mean  stop tossing good $$ after bad into those black holes known as Afghanistan & Iraq, & maybe Syria, then l have no problem with that. As l said, that $ can be better spent. Funny how we never have $ 4 health care, infrastructure,  or other improvements 2 our country- & now the Donald wants 2 take away $ from Medicare & Social Security- but there's plenty of $ 2 throw into those black holes. Then there's the immorality of sending young kidz into that mess 2 be machine gun fodder. She is reviving the peace movement in that bam-bam killed. What's wrong with that? That said, maybe Tulsi would make a better VP candidate than 4 Prez this time out. Again we'll see

[Marypoza]

Getting back 2 the Silents, Ms Nancy wants 2 extend voting rights 2 her fellow adaptives, the Homeys. I'm of 2 minds on this: on 1 hand, like Ms Nancy claims, it may very well encourage good voter habits in the future, since they will be learning about the issues in their Civics & Current Events classes, or whatever Social Studies Depts are calling them these daze.
Otoh, since these kidz are still @ home, it may be a back door way 4 their parents 2 vote more than once.
Thoughts anybody?