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Do You Like Justin Bieber, or other pop stars?
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Looking through the old thread on the archive today, I wondered if I could finally resurrect that thread, and if I and others could be more well-behaved in discussing it than we were then.

As for Justin Bieber, there are a relatively few songs and musical pieces that no matter how often or how long I listen to them, still move me and I still enjoy them to an amazing transcendent degree. That still applies to my favorite Bieber song, called "Pray." It' still linked in my signature line. Recognized or not, and some do recognize it, it is a timeless classic rising far above its time. I still love it, and like to share it, regardless of what the results of sharing it might be.





And I like a lot of his songs. Lately though, Bieber has been less productive, and I didn't like his recent album "Purpose" as consistently as his earlier albums, though it did contain my second-most favorite Bieber song, "What Do You Mean" 
https://youtu.be/DK_0jXPuIr0 And he says he's working on a new album, which I might reveal later in this thread.

But arguments won't convince anyone to like music. It depends on how it strikes you. Many older folks don't like teenage or twenty-aged pop stars, just as I tend not to like most of them, especially in the disco and bubblegum styles-- but some of them I do. And I generally don't find the heavy metal, rap, core punk and grunge styles any more listenable than some others find Bieber or the constellation of current and recent young pop stars associated with him or similar to him.

One of the arguments on the old thread, with Wayne Hurlbert '56, went especially badly, though we were fine on other threads. He made the statement that he would never like Bieber's music no matter what, that he liked it even less the more he heard him, and liked it even less the more I argued with him about it. I said that he and others were "wrong," which isn't the best method of discussion or persuasion, and not likely to lead in the right direction.

But forget Bieber, I wanted to say to him. Really. It's true. Usually when I hear a musical piece, the way it initially strikes me will stay with me, although I may get to know it better or get tired of it. Sometimes though, I hear things in a song or a musical work later on that I didn't hear before, and I change my mind about it. So, doesn't that happen to other people? Can you or myself really say about a piece of music, "I will never like it," as if you could never change your mind about it, or hear something else in it? Even if it's within a genre you don't like?

It's easy to say about music, there's no accounting for taste. But music is a phenomena, and we all hear the same pieces that are available to us. It is a more interesting question than that; it's harder to explain than that, why some people like a piece and others don't.

Do you like Justin Bieber? Perhaps more or less than before? Other pop stars? Or is it a hopeless and empty genre, always?

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#2
Review of his hits



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Carly Rae Jepsen was a protege and discovery of Justin Bieber. In 2011-12 he promoted and help to finance her hit "Call Me Maybe," which became one of the best-selling records of the 2010s. After that, she sang on my favorite song of 2012 with Owl City (Adam Young), called "Good Time". He was able to contact Carly through a connection between Justin's producer and his. Carly has had a number of hits since 2012, but this new one, "Now That I Found You", may be her best solo; brand new as of the week and month of this post. And, not only is the song and herself appealing on the video, but it's a cat video too. Now that's a way to rack up some you tube views! 1 million in the first couple of days.





Our conservative poster Just Passing Through featured Call Me Maybe as the first post on his thread "Pop Music Cleaning Up?" And though Carly is sexy, he thought it was setting a trend away from the excessively raunchy styles of the 2000s. I thought Justin and Carly and Owl City were heading up a trend of a pop music revival. Could this be a revival of the revival?
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

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(03-20-2019, 03:13 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Our conservative poster Just Passing Through featured Call Me Maybe as the first post on his thread "Pop Music Cleaning Up?" And though Carly is sexy, he thought it was setting a trend away from the excessively raunchy styles of the 2000s. I thought Justin and Carly and Owl City were heading up a trend of a pop music revival. Could this be a revival of the revival?

Do you think there indeed was or is such a trend?

I suppose there is, but I'm not sure. I don't listen to 2010s music that much. Miley Cyrus certainly is very racy, but she's no worse than gen X stars like Shakira or Britney, whose video could be called soft porn.
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When Justin was more "down to Earth"



"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

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Eric M
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(03-21-2019, 09:20 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote:
(03-20-2019, 03:13 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Our conservative poster Just Passing Through featured Call Me Maybe as the first post on his thread "Pop Music Cleaning Up?" And though Carly is sexy, he thought it was setting a trend away from the excessively raunchy styles of the 2000s. I thought Justin and Carly and Owl City were heading up a trend of a pop music revival. Could this be a revival of the revival?

Do you think there indeed was or is such a trend?

I suppose there is, but I'm not sure. I don't listen to 2010s music that much. Miley Cyrus certainly is very racy, but she's no worse than gen X stars like Shakira or Britney, whose video could be called soft porn.

It's hard to say if there's any trends today; so much diversity and concurrent trends.
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"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

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(03-21-2019, 09:20 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote: Miley Cyrus certainly is very racy, but she's no worse than gen X stars like Shakira or Britney, whose video could be called soft porn.

Miley is crazy and doesn't try to hide it. She revels in it.
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