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Report: US Government Chronically Lied About Trillion Dollar War In Afghanistan
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Report: US Government Chronically Lied About Trillion Dollar War In Afghanistan

https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/09/us-go...ghanistan/


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#2
Really old news.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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#3
Seems the journalists just now figured it out, obvious as it has been to the rest of us for nearly two decades.
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The government is not legitimate.

The globalists give campaign donations and cushy job promises to politicians to run up the debt, start wars, and make laws that enslave Americans. The Gestapo enforces the decrees. Americans obey the laws.

The only reason the system works now is that everyone thinks the government is legit. If no one obeyed, the system would crumble.

The government and illegal aliens don't obey the law.

Why should Americans?

You cannot vote for freedom because the US is not a democracy. The election machines can be hacked.

You wouldn't pay money to the mafia. Why should you give money to the government?

Don't get marriage licenses, birth certificates, business licenses, passports, driver licenses, or fishing licenses. Don't register for the draft or fill out census forms.

Don't obey the law. If straws are illegal, use a straw. If baseball hats are illegal, wear a baseball cap.

Stop paying taxes.

The elites can't kill us all. There are not enough jails.

Drop out today. Go Galt. Go off the grid.

Americans shouldn't walk around like everything is fine when the US is bankrupt warmongering police state.

Silence means consent.

The blood from US wars and tyranny is on your hands. Don't you feel any guilt? Is anyone responsible for anything?

Think.

Pass the word.

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(12-16-2019, 09:42 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: Seems the journalists just now figured it out, obvious as it has been to the rest of us for nearly two decades.

I doubt that the journalists who actively cover that war have been duped, but most feel some obligation to support the effort or got overridden by their editors.  I know that Dexter Filkins covered it in his book The Forever War, so it has been addressed.  Mostly, it's been a case of the public refusing to listen, because it was anti-patriotic to kvetch.
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At any rate, the timing is good, as it is permitting President Trump to withdraw 4000 of the 14000 odd remaining US troops in Afghanistan without significant objection.
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(12-17-2019, 02:26 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: At any rate, the timing is good, as it is permitting President Trump to withdraw 4000 of the 14000 odd remaining US troops in Afghanistan without significant objection.

My single biggest issue with Trump in foreign affairs is the opaque motivation for his moves.  We know he likes dictators more than democrats, so is this part of that paradigm?  If not, then why now?  He seems to have no interest in foreign affairs except for the photo ops they generate.  On the other hand, Putin may be pushing this behind the scenes in the same way Putin and Erdogan pushed him to dump the Kurds and pull out of Syria.  Or is this an impeachment counter ploy?
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One of the reasons the US is collapsing now is that Americans think that decay will be stopped by becoming Fascists and Communists.

Americans think the US will be improved by expanding wars, increasing the debt, and adding more tyranny when the reason the USA is crashing is because the US has wars, is in debt, and has a police state.

Americans say that they love freedom, but then they turn around and say they need the government to give them free Obamacare, build a wall, protect the US from Yemen, wiretap their phones, arrest people for feeding the homeless, stop farmers from plowing fields, force people to get rid of dogs, ban vaping, and torture suspects.

Every country has the government it deserves.
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(12-18-2019, 10:17 PM)Kay Wrote: One of the reasons the US is collapsing now is that Americans think that decay will be stopped by becoming Fascists and Communists.

Americans think the US will be improved by expanding wars, increasing the debt, and adding more tyranny when the reason the USA is crashing is because the US has wars, is in debt, and has a police state.

Americans say that they love freedom, but then they turn around and say they need the government to give them free Obamacare, build a wall, protect the US from Yemen, wiretap their phones, arrest people for feeding the homeless, stop farmers from plowing fields, force people to get rid of dogs, ban vaping, and torture suspects.

Every country has the government it deserves.

If your point is: human beings are irrational, welcome to the club.  It's always been that way.  Understanding cause and effect requires a bit of sophistication, which tends to be lacking in the average person.  It's not a survival skill, so it's not cultivated very actively.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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(12-18-2019, 12:06 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(12-17-2019, 02:26 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: At any rate, the timing is good, as it is permitting President Trump to withdraw 4000 of the 14000 odd remaining US troops in Afghanistan without significant objection.

My single biggest issue with Trump in foreign affairs is the opaque motivation for his moves.  We know he likes dictators more than democrats, so is this part of that paradigm?  If not, then why now?  He seems to have no interest in foreign affairs except for the photo ops they generate.  On the other hand, Putin may be pushing this behind the scenes in the same way Putin and Erdogan pushed him to dump the Kurds and pull out of Syria.  Or is this an impeachment counter ploy?

Donald Trump does not understand human suffering, tragedy, or misery. He exemplifies as an example the warning of Socrates:


ἀνεξέταστος βίος οὐ βιωτὸς ἀνθρώπῳ

(The unexamined life is an unworthy life).

At a low level it reminds us to not take easy courses of survival and self-numbing as petty criminals, drunks, or addicts. At a higher level it reminds us to examine what we do and why. Just because the rewards are more luxurious does not make ignoble behavor honorable. 

Trump claims to be brilliant (yeah, anyone who brags about his own brilliance probably isn't so), yet he has huge gaps of character. He seems unable to recognize suffering, despair, grief, and overall pain in others. He seems to admire successful gangsters more than he respects "working stiffs", including soldiers. Utterly unreflective, he offends people who must think for themselves or others. I know my faults and must act to be normal... but if I act with simulated courage often enough I will get a reputation for courage. If I simulate diligence I will not seem lazy. If I simulate generosity often enough... to be a good person I must struggle against some bad tendencies. Don't we all?

I knew enough from childhood to not mock the handicapped. There but for the Grace of God go I... any man can go to war and become disabled in war, and any person can be crippled in a vehicle crash or an industrial accident. The near-martyrdom of the naval aviator John S. McCain is nothing to mock, but instead to honor.  I know enough to stay clear of bad people such as criminals, perverts, and political extremists. People with the delusion that they can use evil people for their own ends are fools.    
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(12-18-2019, 12:06 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(12-17-2019, 02:26 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: At any rate, the timing is good, as it is permitting President Trump to withdraw 4000 of the 14000 odd remaining US troops in Afghanistan without significant objection.

My single biggest issue with Trump in foreign affairs is the opaque motivation for his moves.  We know he likes dictators more than democrats, so is this part of that paradigm?  If not, then why now?

His motivations are opaque to you only because you refuse to acknowledge any valid motivations on his part.  His motivation is completely transparent to me:  he wants to get our troops out of "s---h---" countries as fast as he can.  As illustrated by the massive blowback he got for withdrawing a mere 28 troops from the Turkish border in Syria, that isn't very fast, but he's trying.

The reason for "why now" is obvious:  with this report out on how our involvement in Afghanistan is pointless, Trump has cover to withdraw a few thousand troops instead of just a few dozen.  I wouldn't be surprised if Trump leaked the report himself.
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(12-19-2019, 05:04 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:
(12-18-2019, 12:06 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(12-17-2019, 02:26 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: At any rate, the timing is good, as it is permitting President Trump to withdraw 4000 of the 14000 odd remaining US troops in Afghanistan without significant objection.

My single biggest issue with Trump in foreign affairs is the opaque motivation for his moves.  We know he likes dictators more than democrats, so is this part of that paradigm?  If not, then why now?

His motivations are opaque to you only because you refuse to acknowledge any valid motivations on his part.  His motivation is completely transparent to me:  he wants to get our troops out of "s---h---" countries as fast as he can.  As illustrated by the massive blowback he got for withdrawing a mere 28 troops from the Turkish border in Syria, that isn't very fast, but he's trying.

The reason for "why now" is obvious:  with this report out on how our involvement in Afghanistan is pointless, Trump has cover to withdraw a few thousand troops instead of just a few dozen.  I wouldn't be surprised if Trump leaked the report himself.

Since secondary issues are unimportant to him (e.g. let the Kurds fend for themselves) and his sense of loyalty is extremely narrow, your analysis may be right.  The long term damage to our strategic alliances may suffer irreparable damage, but he'll be out of office by then.  Why should he care?
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Boring!
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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