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The cancer infecting the political Left
(08-08-2020, 01:57 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(08-08-2020, 01:17 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I'm OK with the Democrats shutting down cheap meat packing plants that mainly employ cheap immigrants (legal or illegal)  that provide cheap food for cheap people like you to eat. I think it would be a major mistake but whatever the Democrats seem know what's best for Democrats and you seem to be on board with the Democratic way of thinking. Well, have fun starving and dealing with hungry people as you're waiting for couple of disconnected  multi-millionaires/ aristocrats  named Nancy and Chuck to figure it out and maybe do something about it or possibly ignore it or whatever. Like I said, I'll go in with a Republican minded friend and buy a fucking cow to eat as your waiting for free food.

Not enough thinking is going into changing our work habits to protect workers in the age of COVUS.  Places like meat packing plants are optimized for max profits in non pandemic times.  Expanding space to improve isolation while continuing work would be nice.  But, no.  Trump just declares meat packing plants essential, forces the workers to work, and we continue on putting workers at risk.  Let them die.  Can't let a few worker deaths impact profits, can we?

At least in buying a cow you are using a little smarts to avoid some of Trump's deaths.  More ways to work while isolating are needed.  Still, most people would rather wait on a vaccine than think and change.  I have already given ideas on how this could be done with my own software writing profession.

I am watching a handful of court cases advance, or not advance as the case might be.  MA law mandates the shut down of many court rooms and lawyers offices due to the bug, thus only major criminal cases are currently being heard.  Even if Walmart and a hospital involve in the cases are regarded as essential, they are using the COVID shutdowns as an excuse not to pay their debts.  The legal system is beginning to respond to this.  Judge's offices, jails and lawyer's offices are beginning to all have Zoom or similar interfaces so that virtual reality allows them to hold virtual meetings.  Some sense of normal pacing is returning in spite of the bug.

This is the sort of thing which everybody should be striving for, the ability to continue productive work while still isolating.  We can't afford just to stop and sit.  We can't mandate worker deaths to protect corporate profits.  We certainly can't afford certain conservatives refusing to take simple painless precautions or putting profits ahead of lives.
I can understand why paying debts and keeping up with demand would be pretty tough without the ability to conduct regular business so to speak. I assume life would be much tougher for you and your bills would be tougher to pay if I were to take away the bulk of your revenues. So, how many years is it going to take for the liberal courts to catch up on all the work that its been putting off or refusing to do for its taxpayers for several months now? Yes, we have a bunch of tax dollars being spent of dip shit Democrats sitting around doing nothing, what little they can do from home, refusing to work due to COVID19 concerns and forming an impression of supporting a bunch of stupid stuff that pisses off American taxpayers and consumers these days.
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(08-08-2020, 02:31 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(08-07-2020, 10:33 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(08-07-2020, 09:57 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(08-07-2020, 08:31 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:
(07-31-2020, 07:36 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The Social Security Trust Fund has already been spent and is currently being tapped to cover the shortfall between the wage earners and recipients. We are paying for China's virus not Trump's virus. See, you're still thinking like a Democrat too. Dude, the bulk of Obama's stimulus went to shoring up Obama's base and about a quarter went to fixing some roads. The Obama stimulus was probably the biggest political scam in US history. I take that back, it's probably tied with Obamacare and Trump-Russian collusion. I watched that dip shit playing his partisan politics during the funeral the other day.

Yes, the SS trust fund was stolen to pay for all of those stupid wars of choice and tax cuts for the fat cats.  The solution is to stop wasting money like that. Let's undo every tax cut since Reagan was elected and cut the military budget by 90%.  The US spends 10 times on the military than the next big spender. There's the waste fraud and abuse the Republicans always bitch about. If Republicans care about the deficit, they can fix that stuff. Uh, it's not "China's virus."  The US due to privatize everything, was a sitting duck. The corona virus arrived by the planeload because the US DIDN'T DO FUCKING SHIT TO KEEP IT OUT.  Only idiocy or incompetence make stuff like this happen. Guess what? It's gonna get worse, because the US has no clue and when folks are scared to go out now and when it gets worse, the fewer folks go out for good reason. Nobody wants to get sick. And yes, I really do want the stock market to crash, because it means nothing. I'd like a 90% crash , thank you, so I can buy stocks at the proper price. Here's another observation. The US social contract is to get a job [if you can], and spend you money. That's it, nothing more. If you can't get a job, then it's the streets for you.  I can, of course just fuck off my part of the bargain and not spend, or just get clothes from a 2nd hand store. I don't have to participate in a system that's no good.  I'll keep voting to butter my bread since that's the American way as exemplified by the fatcats.  If Warren Buffet can have a lower tax rate than I do, then I can go back to the 1970's way and ignore the , buy, buy , go into debt racket. Speaking of rackets, that's most of the US economy.  We have a healthcare racket, a college education racket, rental rackets in assorted cities, Big Food racket, Big Oil racket, and on and on, and on. I don't care if rackets crash and burn either.
It was primarily used/ borrowed against to bring an abrupt  end to the Soviet Union. You educated me on your philosophy of life during the Obama years. It didn't jive with mine at the time or today but it kind of did jive with mine about 30 some years ago when I was first started out on my own during the late 80's.

Young people are hip; older people often lose the spirit of life and get worried about money and in their insecurity they hang on to traditions and symbols. Myself though, I keep the spirit alive.

That was the strategy, as I wrote in my book published in 1997. First one to go broke loses. So Reagan built up the military to scare the Soviets, and they had to build it up to scare us in turn. And they shot down an airliner full of Americans. They were going broke faster than us. The Russians got lucky and got a couple of reformers at the helm to try to change their system. We didn't.

The bad news is two-fold. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. The commies were gone, but now they have a new tsar just as bad as the old ones. Even Eastern Europe is no longer free. Meanwhile, our new boss Reagan promised to balance the budget. Instead he unleashed the national debt as never before, and Bush and Trump have put us into total bankruptcy. We didn't fare much better than the Soviets. They got a new tsar and the same old poverty. We got a society where young people can't get ahead, where our infrastructure and education are rotten, and where we rank 36th instead of #1 in measures like life expectancy and the health of our children.

I suppose it will be OK for us to spend trillions of dollars to pay for the Trump Virus. As long as interest rates remain low, because of our slow economy, at least taxes won't go up to pay the interest on our debt. As long as the rich capture all the growth of our economy, thanks to Reaganomics (still in effect after 40 years), salaries and wages will remain flat and the economy will not overheat, and young and poor people will remain miserable.

I suppose if the Democrats get in and rebuild the middle class by deposing Reaganomics, including raising taxes on the wealthy, raising minimum wages and redistributing what the rich have extorted, the people will get more money in their pockets and the economy could heat up with inflation again. Then will be the time for the government to take its share from more of us to cool off the economy, and pay for some of the federal debt and interest as interest rates go up. But only then will we in the USA recover from that project "to bring an abrupt end to the Soviet Union" and recover our spirit. Both countries have paid a high price, and as of now I see no way out for the former Soviets.
Yep. The young people seem pretty  hip and care free as you say. I was the same way about thirty five years ago. I guess I fucked up by growing up and accepting responsibility vs refusing to grow up, remaining  immature, self centered    and reliant upon adults or nations  to provide. Yes, the China virus has been very costly to all of us. So, do you think I give a shit about what Nike thinks or give a shit about what some hip basket player who happens to be black who makes MILLIONS or some group of football players who happen to be black or part black who make Millions or a group of professional sport team owners worth billions  who happen to be white have  to say about anything that's viewed as important or relevant to any of them these days. So, what are you going to do when America wins and all those dumb fuckers end up poorer and end up competing against the country and the system that created every fucking one of them. So, what the fuck do you have to offer them when America is done teaching them. Do you think wide scale boycotts that brings tears to eyes of bunch of dumb business owners and business professions dealing with major losses is impossible today? I'm not nearly as racist as you would hope or want to  believe at this point. I watched a black dude trying to cover up what has already been determined to be a huge mistake that is going to impact everyone associated with professional sports today. IDIOTS ARE IDIOTS TO ME AND I DON'T CARE WHAT THE COLOR OF THE IDIOTS SKIN IS EITHER. I'm sorry but America has no sympathy for idiots who don't realize whose country they're living in these days.

I guess I feel what's the use of living if growing up means to be worried about money and hanging onto out-of-date symbols like you do. I don't think the country belongs to your side. I think it's well proven that your trickle-down, laissez faire approach does not build the middle class or national prosperity. As Bill Clinton said at the 2004 convention, I believe it was: "our way works better." The blacks will do better and become more independent as they get more prosperous under our approach.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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(08-08-2020, 01:17 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I'm OK with the Democrats shutting down cheap meat packing plants that mainly employ cheap immigrants (legal or illegal)  that provide cheap food for cheap people like you to eat. I think it would be a major mistake but whatever the Democrats seem know what's best for Democrats and you seem to be on board with the Democratic way of thinking. Well, have fun starving and dealing with hungry people as you're waiting for couple of disconnected  multi-millionaires/ aristocrats  named Nancy and Chuck to figure it out and maybe do something about it or possibly ignore it or whatever. Like I said, I'll go in with a Republican minded friend and buy a fucking cow to eat as your waiting for free food.

A Crisis Era compels people to do what they never planned to do. It puts an end to many bad habits that make life easy and inexpensive for some people -- at a great price to those whose misery is necessary for making abundance for others on the cheap. Remember: a 3T is a time of negligent, myopic hedonism that acts as if there is no future for which to account. People get away with bad behavior such as exploitation, under-saving, Ponzi schemes and speculative bubbles, celebrity circuses, quackery in academia, tax cuts for elites, and inadequate investment in the public sector. 

No era of the typical saeculum receives quicker and fuller repudiation than the degenerate 3T. It always gives people inadequate preparation for what follows. Trying to live as if 3T rules apply through a 4T is one way to ensure personal disaster if such is one's behavior as an atomized individual and large-scale disaster if one imposes it on a grand scale. 

People cannot live on their impulses in a 4T (really in any military unit). If we do not have a shooting war, then we at least have the deaths of a shooting war. We have lost nearly one sixth of a million people in roughly six months. I am not going to extrapolate, as straight-line projections are the least reliable of predictions. But let's put it this way: we are in between losing (in size) Jackson, Mississippi and Springfield, Missouri. So imagine that you are headed to some low-brow entertainment  in Branson, Missouri (yes, country music is generally considered low-brow in contrast to classical, jazz, folk, or perhaps rhythm-and-blues) as you head west on Interstate 44 from somewhere in the Great Lakes region. You expect to turn south on US 65. Interstate 44 in Missouri is one of the most scenic of all Interstates, so it is an attractive drive. Nut all of a sudden, where Springfield was is an empty hulk, wiped out in the explosion of a neutron bomb. Nobody is there anymore except people passing through. Maybe they expected to stop at a motel for the night. The motel is still there, but there is no front-desk clerk. Stopping at one of the national chain restaurants? The restaurant is still there, but there is no staff... and there are no local customers. Not-so-local customers tell you that the food is already Do you rotting, so don't trust it even if it is "free". 

Do you think that you might get yourself some free gasoline because nobody has thought to shut off the pumps? If you do manage to stop at a gas station that uses the image of a tiger (as in the old ad campaign "Put a Tiger in your tank")... radioactive gasoline could put something even more dangerous than a tiger in your passenger compartment.  Make a wrong turn and pass a schoolyard or a park? There won't be any children playing. 

We are accustomed to assuming that in the First World or among advantaged people in other parts of the world, people do not die of respiratory infections unless they have pre-existing conditions (such as emphysema) or have messed up badly in life, as in getting hooked on street drugs. 

But you are lucky. You aren't going to stay in what used to be Springfield, Missouri very long. You can't. There's nothing there anymore. You got there after the neutron bomb exploded. If you think me over-dramatic: someone that Classic X'er and I agree is one of the greatest monsters in human form, Josef Stalin, said 

"One death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic".

...If you wonder why I don't mention Jackson, Mississippi -- I have never been there. If you wonder why I take so many swipes at Mississippi for its past, then it ain't for William Faulkner or Eudora Welty or the great number of Blues musicians who turned their pain from being black and poor (usually a redundancy) in Mississippi into a profound expression of humanity.  I've never been in Mississippi and probably never will be -- or probably will never even go through it. So I can't say much about it. I have been past or through Springfield, Missouri a few times.   

We have experienced a few characteristics of a 4T -- shortages of things that used to have reliable supply, exhortations to not make unnecessary trips, reduction in consumer choice, bare shelves, and attempts at personal and economic regimentation. We may not be closer to the end of the Crisis Era than to its start, but the latter years of a Crisis Era are often the harshest. 

...Maybe in the 1T we will not be doing things so much on the cheap as we used to.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(08-08-2020, 04:01 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I can understand why paying debts and keeping up with demand would be pretty tough without the ability to conduct regular business so to speak. I assume life would be much tougher for you and your bills would be tougher to pay if I were to take away the bulk of your revenues. So, how many years is it going to take for the liberal courts to catch up on all the work that its been putting off or refusing to do for its taxpayers for several months now? Yes, we have a bunch of tax dollars being spent of dip shit Democrats sitting around doing nothing, what little they can do from home, refusing to work due to COVID19 concerns and forming an impression of supporting a bunch of stupid stuff that pisses off American taxpayers and consumers these days.

We have to decide what is truly essential. We have to figure out how to both work and isolate. We have to decide what debts will be forgiven or delayed for a time. For example, many are not paying rents these days. Debts set by courts are being ignored.

But in America we don't have liberal courts and conservative courts. We have one legal system. Where do you get your fantasies again?
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.
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(08-08-2020, 09:28 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(08-08-2020, 04:01 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I can understand why paying debts and keeping up with demand would be pretty tough without the ability to conduct regular business so to speak. I assume life would be much tougher for you and your bills would be tougher to pay if I were to take away the bulk of your revenues. So, how many years is it going to take for the liberal courts to catch up on all the work that its been putting off or refusing to do for its taxpayers for several months now? Yes, we have a bunch of tax dollars being spent of dip shit Democrats sitting around doing nothing, what little they can do from home, refusing to work due to COVID19 concerns and forming an impression of supporting a bunch of stupid stuff that pisses off American taxpayers and consumers these days.

We have to decide what is truly essential.  We have to figure out how to both work and isolate.  We have to decide what debts will be forgiven or delayed for a time.  For example, many are not paying rents these days.  Debts set by courts are being ignored.

But in America we don't have liberal courts and conservative courts.  We have one legal system.  Where do you get your fantasies again?

Congress doesn't get to decide what is essential until the 2020 election is complete, and a President, Vice-President, and the 117th Congress are in place. I write this in the assumption that Donald Trump is in mortal danger and may be fully incapacitated.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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