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  Please - Let's Retire "What If"?
Posted by: Anthony '58 - 11-12-2016, 08:35 AM - Forum: General Political Discussion - No Replies

Maybe it will be retired now that Donald Trump has been elected President.

So let us and the Russians work together to obliterate ISIS - and none of this "What if this creates a power vacuum in the Middle East that Iran might step into?"  As Ted Kennedy should have said, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Same goes for the imminent repeal of ObamaCare: Instead of "what if"-ing that to death - what if emergency rooms go bankrupt treating the newly uninsured, what if poor, sick people are "dying in the streets," as Trump himself taunted Ted Cruz with in one of the Republican debates - the states, church groups, and most of all, the putative champions of the poor like George Soros and Tom Steyer, need to start getting together now to prepare for the sh**-storm to come.  Waiting until repeal actually happens is inexcusable.

And there is nothing less 4T-ish than saying "What If?" to everything, allowing it to paralyze necessary action.

A lot of people need to grow some - and I don't mean marijuana, even though it is becoming legal in ever more states.

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  Trump Trainwreck - Ongoing diary of betrayal and evil
Posted by: playwrite - 11-11-2016, 10:37 AM - Forum: General Political Discussion - Replies (892)

Let's chronicle, in real time, the unfolding of President Pussygrabber's betrayal to the White male cohort-led Trumpsters as well as his institutionalizing the alt-Right's anti-American values agenda.  It should be fun!

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  It looks like Trump is setting the mood for the 1T.
Posted by: disasterzone - 11-11-2016, 09:32 AM - Forum: Turnings - Replies (153)

The Trump presidency is predicting what's to come and the 1T attitudes people will take.

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  I VOTE YES ON CALEXIT!
Posted by: Eric the Green - 11-10-2016, 06:54 PM - Forum: General Political Discussion - Replies (353)

Breaking from Newsmax.com
#Calexit: Trump's Victory Renews Push for California to Leave US
A new push for California to exit the United States has arisen in the wake of Donald Trump winning the presidency. "Yes California," a campaign that aims to put a referendum on the 2019 ballot for the Golden State to leave the U.S., leads the charge.

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CNN reported that 61 percent of the state’s voters supported Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, and the state’s electoral college votes went to her.

"As the sixth largest economy in the world, California is more economically powerful than France and has a population larger than Poland. Point-by-point, California compares with countries, not just the 49 other states," read the campaign’s site.

While the "Yes" campaign has been considered a fringe movement, supporters of leaving the union took to Twitter after Trump won, using the hashtag #Calexit, a reference to the Brexit movement in Britain to leave the European Union.

The New York Daily News reported that one Twitter user issued a proposal in graphic form:

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While not calling for the state to leave the union, two Democratic legislators in the state, Senate president Kevin de Leon and assembly speaker Anthony Rendon, issued a statement about the election results:
"We woke up feeling like strangers in a foreign land, because yesterday Americans expressed their views on a pluralistic and democratic society that are clearly inconsistent with the values of the people of California."
© 2016 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

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  Political Polarity To Reverse On Gun Control, States' Rights?
Posted by: Anthony '58 - 11-10-2016, 06:44 PM - Forum: General Political Discussion - Replies (21)

Now that the conservatives are the "ins" and the liberals the "outs," will we now see a return to the days of the left seeking a "Second Amendment solution" to what they see as the nation's problems - the days of the Black Panthers ambushing police officers en masse, the Weather Underground blowing up buildings, and the "Zebra shootings" of whites in and around San Francisco?

On the cause of states' rights, a role reversal is even more likely - as voters defied the federal government on both raising the minimum wage and legalizing recreational marijuana use Tuesday, with ballot initiatives on those two issues going a combined eight for nine.  And with the repeal of ObamaCare now imminent, liberal states - and even some conservative ones; e.g., Utah - are sure to move heaven and earth to see to it that the newly uninsured are given some sort of safety net.

And according to this piece, states' rights could be the key to diffusing the Culture Wars once and for all:

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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/proje...ia-fits-in

Can Trump End The Culture Wars?

By Daniel K. Williams

Donald J. Trump was elected with a higher percentage of the white evangelical vote than any other Republican presidential candidate has ever received, and he has received strong support from prominent Christian Right leaders. Yet if Mr. Trump delivers on his promises, he will not give the religious right what its leaders have traditionally demanded or what the Republican Party platform calls for. Indeed, he will give them very little national legislation at all, but will instead offer them maximum latitude to pursue their agenda at the state level — a shift that may portend a potential breakthrough in the nation’s polarizing culture wars.


National legislation has long been the goal of the religious right. When the movement emerged in the late 1970s, evangelical leaders such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson sought federal constitutional amendments to ban abortion and restore school prayer, because they wanted to reverse what liberal rights activists had done at the national level through the Supreme Court. In the early 21st century, leaders such as James Dobson continued this trend by persuading President George W. Bush to endorse a constitutional amendment proposal to define marriage as exclusively heterosexual.

In recent years, evangelicals have become so concerned about protecting their own religious liberty against federal mandates or court decisions that they have given less attention to imposing a moral agenda on the rest of the nation. Although the Republican Party platform continues to promise a constitutional amendment protecting human life from the moment of conception, the pro-life movement has not made any serious attempts to pass that amendment since the 1980s. Nor has there been much talk in the last decade of a national ban on same-sex marriage.

Mr. Trump is well positioned to promote a further shift away from national moral regulation. For much of his adult life, he held culturally libertarian views on abortion and gay rights, and he evinced little interest in the religious right’s agenda. Early in his campaign, he expressed discomfort with conservative evangelicals’ opposition to the rights of transgender people to use the public restroom of their choice. But he quickly came to embrace a “states’ rights” position on same-sex marriage and transgender rights, a position that would allow culturally liberal New Yorkers the right to pursue different policies than cultural conservatives in Mississippi or North Dakota. And while Mr. Trump stumbled over abortion during his campaign, the policy that he ultimately reverted to was to leave abortion legalization up to the states — an outcome that he would try to ensure by nominating conservative Supreme Court justices who might overturn Roe v. Wade.

Mr. Trump has gone further than any previous Republican presidential nominee in a generation in insisting that the religious right should enact its agenda at the state, rather than federal, level. Although this was the policy position of many Republicans during the 1970s (including President Gerald Ford), religious right activists persuaded the G.O.P. in the early 1980s to abandon its states-rights approach to abortion and other social issues, and promise national legislation to implement the religious right’s agenda. Mr. Trump is leading the party back to its more traditional stance.

While many liberals will find this outcome unsatisfactory — since it offers them no opportunity to secure national protection for individual rights that they consider inalienable — it may be the only compromise solution that can give both conservatives and liberals the freedom to pursue their own agenda at the local level without fear of a national backlash.

If a socially libertarian New Yorker can deliver this compromise to the conservative white rural evangelical voters who put him in office, both conservatives and liberals should see that for what it is: a landmark opportunity to move beyond the culture wars.

Daniel K. Williams is a professor of history at the University of West Georgia and the author of “God’s Own Party: The Making of the Christian Right."

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  Trump's populism collides with Silicon Valley
Posted by: Eric the Green - 11-10-2016, 06:02 PM - Forum: General Political Discussion - Replies (2)

New Populism and Silicon Valley on a Collision Course
Trump’s focus on jobs, globalization and immigration tapped anxiety about technological change


http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-populism-and-silicon-valley-on-a-collision-course-1478814305


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A Donald Trump supporter on Election Night. Mr. Trump won the presidential race by tapping into popular concerns about where change is taking the country. PHOTO: JOE BURBANK/TRIBUNE NEWS SERVICE/ZUMA PRESS
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By 
CHRISTOPHER MIMS

Updated Nov. 10, 2016 5:03 p.m. ET


Tuesday’s election was an expression of voter angst that heralded a new type of populism. For Silicon Valley, it also marked the ascension of a vision starkly at odds with its own.

The world is changing faster than ever, and Donald Trump’s campaign tapped into concern about where that change is taking the country. Many of the campaign’s central issues—jobs, globalization and immigration—had in common that they were rooted, in large part, in technological change.

The populist wave Mr. Trump rode appears to be on a collision course with the fruits of technology and the people who build it.

Uber Technologies Inc. and others are testing self-driving trucks. That augurs trouble for the 3.5 million truck drivers in the U.S., who hold some of the best-paying jobs that don’t require a college degree. Meanwhile, advances in artificial intelligence are beginning to consume white-collar jobs in fields such as medicine and finance, shifting the debate over the impact of technology.

  • The tech industry champions immigration. Many of its executives are foreign born. It embraces trade. Overseas markets accounted for 58% of its revenue last year, the second-highest share for any U.S. industry after energy, according to CFRA Research. And overseas workers build most of the electronic gadgets that U.S. tech companies sell.
The setting for Mr. Trump’s critiques of American capitalism was often a closed or soon-to-be-closed factory.

But, thanks to advances in automation, there’s little evidence that bringing factories back to the U.S. would lead to significantly more jobs. The dollar value of what Americans make goes up every year, but the share of Americans who make those goods continues to decline. It was 8.7% of working Americans last year, down from a postwar high of nearly one in three in the 1950s.
The overseas factories to which many U.S. companies shifted production are themselves rapidly automating. There simply aren’t enough pockets of ultracheap labor left.

“The era of using offshore low-cost labor will come to an end because the standard of living is rising around the world,” says Jon Sobel, chief executive and co-founder of Sight Machine Inc., which helps companies manage the data pouring off their automated assembly lines. He can’t name his clients, but they range from a Big Three auto maker to a famous apparel company, all of which seek his company’s help in automating factories overseas.

The end results of this trend, in America and elsewhere, are what are known as ”lights out” factories, where processes are so automated that there’s no need to illuminate the production line except when it breaks down.

To many in Silicon Valley, this is just part of inexorable progress. Electing Mr. Trump won’t shield his supporters from the reality that they are now competing with every other worker on Earth, says Balaji Srinivasan, a board partner at venture-capital firm Andreessen Horowitz and CEO of bitcoin startup 21 Inc.

Mr. Srinivasan views the collision between tech culture and Mr. Trump’s populist movement as inevitable, and potentially so divisive that tech’s global elites should effectively secede from their respective countries, an idea he calls “the ultimate exit.”
Already, he says, elites in Silicon Valley are more connected to one another and to their counterparts around the globe than to non-techies in their midst or nearby. “My Stanford network connects to Harvard and Beijing more than [California’s] Central Valley,” says Mr. Srinivasan. Eventually, he argues, “there will be a recognition that if we don’t have control of the nation state, we should reduce the nation state’s power over us.”

Such concepts are far-fetched, but the underlying cultural and ideological divisions are real.

“It’s crazy to me that people in Silicon Valley have no idea how half the country lives and is voting,” said Ben Ling, an investment partner at venture firm Khosla Ventures. Many “coastal elites” attribute the results “to just sexism or racism, without even trying to figure out why [people] wanted to vote for Trump.”

Ultimately, the clashes may not prove so dramatic. Technology may fall short of visionaries’ lofty promises. And Mr. Trump may pursue policies that are more symbolic than detrimental to the tech industry, says Anshu Sharma, a venture capitalist at Storm Ventures and founder of artificial-intelligence startup Learning Motors.

“We’ll eventually find out whether he decides he does want to bring back an Apple factory from China,” says Mr. Sharma. “I think he’s going to pick on one or two companies and make an example, to show his base that he’s fixing America.”

Robert Atkinson, president of the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation, an industry group, says, “There was a bromance between Obama and the tech industry. That is not going to be the case with a Trump presidency.”

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  The Post-ObamaCare World: Reality Check For Hypocrites?
Posted by: Anthony '58 - 11-10-2016, 11:29 AM - Forum: General Political Discussion - Replies (58)

The repeal of the Affordable Care Act, aka ObamaCare, is now a fait accompli - conceivably as soon as January 21st, via the "budget reconciliation" process.

But where do we go from here?

To prevent what literally would be a humanitarian crisis, state and local governments, and private and religious charities, will have to do the right thing - and the latter two are especially key: Will George Soros, Tom Steyer etc. pitch in, by making massive donations to organizations like this - and will evangelicals prove that they are not slavish disciples of Ayn Rand and do their part?  (You can bet that the Catholic Church, especially under Pope Francis, will take a strong stand on this).

If either fail, they will be exposed for all the world to see as the worst sort of hypocrites.

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  But Does It Get Even WORSE From Here For Dems?
Posted by: Anthony '58 - 11-10-2016, 08:20 AM - Forum: General Political Discussion - Replies (5)

As the map below shows, the Democrats will have to defend Senate seats in nine states that Trump won on Tuesday in 2018, while the Republicans will have to defend only one seat in a state that Hillary won (Nevada).
If all ten of these Senate races repeat the same partisan outcomes from 2016 - and remember that mid-term elections tend to be more Republican-friendly than Presidential elections - the Republicans will have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

Then they go full retard - and the income tax gets replaced with a national sales tax, EMTALA gets repealed, and so on.


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  A message to my anti-Trump comrades.
Posted by: Einzige - 11-09-2016, 10:29 PM - Forum: General Political Discussion - Replies (2)

Gonna repost this.


Quote:Don't expect shit to go downhill that quickly.

Trump will get his Indian summer, probably until after the 2018 midterms. You can expect that he'll rush through a few vaguely populist measures first, in an attempt at shoring up support. This will probably work.

If Trump is smart - and he is canny - he'll wait until after the midterm to begin pursuing deportations in earnest, just long enough to lull the public into a false sense of security.

The Democratic Party underestimated George Bush on the basis of his public persona, to their own peril. Don't make the same mistake again.

The public is scared right now. Everything seems to be crumbling. Who better to comfort them than President Reality Show?

I know the wait is frustrating, but you're all going to have to learn from the experience of the 60s and the mid-2000s.

Also, the Democratic Party goading him into focusing on infrastructure, as they seem to be doing, is useful in delaying the inevitable, but will increase his personal popularity. It's a catch-22.

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  Will History Say, "Was This The Best America Could Come Up With?"
Posted by: Bad Dog - 11-09-2016, 12:18 PM - Forum: General Political Discussion - Replies (32)

No rational person wants to be the President Of The United States.

Only those obsessed with personal power, and narcissism, will pursue the office.

This election proved that.

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