Here is a thread to cover the best songs of the 3T, which Eric seems to have completely skipped over in his thread, aside from a couple of New Age things.  Please  feel free to contribute, I'm sure I'll miss a lot of good stuff!  

Rather than going backwards in time, this thread will go from the beginning of the turning to the end.  I'm going to start a little earlier, though, since the early 80s really didn't get covered very well in Eric's thread.  So here we are, in the last years of the 2T--

1980:  

The Regeneracy has come to North Dakota.

A popular and populist anti-establishment Fargo businessman and a former executive of Microsoft, Doug Burgum, has won the Republican nomination for governor of North Dakota, absolutely crushing the party's endorsed candidate (the corrupt as fuck political careerist state attorney general Wayne Stenehjem) with help from crossover votes from Democrats and will almost certainly be ND's next governor. Burgum is a good guy who is from the Fargo area and helped revitalize Downtown, he's not going to tolerate all the crap going on in the state government. He's going to clean house and the Establishment is shitting themselves because of it.

Thread to post upcoming Wikileaks/Russian hxr0d info wrt Hillary.

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Medical innovations can in theory lengthen lifespans and improve the quality of life for people with degenerative diseases that can seriously debase life and impose great costs of custodial care. Such could ensure that some people live longer, productive, and more satisfying lives.

Some medical innovations could in practice allow people to remain active in the cultural, educational, and political scene longer.

My discussion with radind about religion on the "Debate over the Vietnam War" thread is off topic there, so I think it deserves a separate thread.

I am not alone in saying that perhaps the horrible event in Orlando should give some people pause about their ideology. Not that it will, but it should. Ideologies of discrimination are historically quite clearly associated with killings and lynchings. In the past, black people were the most frequent victims. Nowadays, it is more likely to be gays/LGBT people.

Social conservatives are likely to claim that they have a right to refuse service to gay people if such service violates their religion. This is called "infringement of religious liberty." Candidates like Ted Cruz use "religious liberty" as a code word to permit discrimination and hatred. They also of course do the same thing with the "second amendment," claiming they are "protecting the constitution" by running for office to make sure judges are appointed who will "uphold our rights" to discriminate and let people have weapons of mass murder.

People who think discrimination against providing services to gays who are getting married, or to dispense contraceptives, and so on, is upholding religious liberty, are contributing to the attitude of hatred that infects the minds of creepy lunatics like Mr. Mateen in Florida. Perhaps religious people like radind should take a look at how to modify or rephrase their beliefs, so that they don't contribute to creating a culture of hatred in which murders like the ones in Orlando are enabled and facilitated.

I also note that Donald Trump's response to this event, is to shout more slogans that further create more of these events. The shooter Mr. Mateen was clearly against all diversity. So is Mr. Trump. It matters little that Mateen is against diversity from his Muslim religion, while Mr. Trump is against diversity that includes Muslims. It's the same idea. Those OTHERS are dangerous, and ruin our country, and they must be stopped. Mr. Trump is therefore culpable of furthering more events like the Orlando shooting. By diverting attention from the real causes: hateful prejudice, and easy access to weapons of mass murder, he is also promoting further such tragic events. Mr. Obama's statements by contrast are accurate and level-headed. Rather than Obama resigning, as Mr. Trump has called for, it is Mr. Trump who should now end his campaign, crawl back into his tower, and stfu. And no-one who doesn't want more events like the Orlando shootings, should even remotely consider voting for this creep.

(06-13-2016, 01:50 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: The fact is that we read those 14 points during the Bush-Cheney administration, and many of us thought then that we were on the verge of fascism because so many of them applied to the USA. And especially the last point, which put Bush in office.

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital...om-2354723

Quote:The Roman Republic was decaying long before Julius Caesar marched on the city in 49 B.C. and toppled it for good. One of the pivotal moments in that decay came just three decades earlier, during the brief dictatorship of Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix.
Comparisons between 21st century America and the late republic are a bit cliché, and frequently overwrought. But there's one choice Sulla made that has a direct parallel in modern politics.
Although Sulla ruled as dictator for just one year before retiring into private life, he packed a lot into those months. Not only did he butcher thousands of potential rivals, he also instituted sweeping reforms, some of which contributed to the republic's eventual demise. For example, Sulla doubled the size of the Senate, from about 300 men to roughly 600. As Cambridge classics scholar Mary Beard detailed in her recent book "SPQR," this had the side effect of burdening Rome's political system with a bigger elite than it could possibly handle...



http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital...om-2354723

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/...story.html

Quote:The troubles with kids these days ... are not as common as they used to be. U.S. teens are having a lot less sex, they are drinking and using drugs less often, and they aren't smoking as much, according to a government survey of risky youth behaviors.
"I think you can call this the cautious generation," said Bill Albert, a spokesman for the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy.
Among a decline in several risky behaviors, a sharp decline in sexual activity stood out to researchers.
The survey found 41% said they had had sex, after it had been about 47% over the previous decade. It also found marked declines last year in the proportion of students who said they had sex recently, had sex before they were 13, and students who had had sex with four or more partners.


http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/...story.html