Big Lies

[Ragnarök_62]

(03-05-2017, 10:44 PM)bobc Wrote:

(03-05-2017, 10:09 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: There was no truth to those emails. They were snips taken out of context, distortions, and outright lies. The Russians and Trump supporters were the originators of "fake news," a slogan that the 1984 Drump has appropriated. Those who investigated leave no doubt that the Russians hacked Podesta's emails. To say otherwise at this point is right-wing propaganda and nothing more. There was nothing illegal going on with Hillary, and the only classified emails on her server were congratulations to African officials. What nonsense, compared to the rampant corruption of Trump and all his minions and appointees. Fact checkers proved that Hillary was one of the most honest candidates, and Trump by far the least honest. Trump does nothing but lie and scream. Those who supported him are responsible for putting a juvenile reactionary in charge of what was a viable democracy. Shame on you bobc for believing all these big lies.

The emails were true. Several Democratic party insiders resigned after specific information about them was released, including rigging the game against Bernie Sanders in the primaries.

There was only fake news saying Russia hacked the emails. The best information showed several parties got those emails with password as password, but that it was an insider, probably Seth Rich, who leaked it. He was later killed in a robbery where no money was taken.

The level of corruption under the Clintons was reaching incredible levels, and now, we the American people, have the chance to drain the swamp.

I'm assuming that you support "progressive" causes. How is corruption, the Clinton foundation bribery machine, mysterious deaths, support of trade agreements made in secret, dirty tricks against the progressive candidate in 2016, helping these causes.
The best way for you to, in the long run, help your causes, would be to support the sweeping away of corruption, shadow government of the intelligence agencies, secret trade deals, over expansion of Federal power, over regulation, dividing the US into hostile interest groups each opposed to each other.
Then, afterward honest debates between socialism versus free market, nationalism versus one world-ism, etc., can occur again.

If you are the same Eric I remember in much earlier iterations of this board you were essentially a hippie that believed in spiritualism and ideals from the 1960's. Your current simplistic assertions of truth and lies, good and evil, just don't do justice to the types of arguments you made 15 or 20 years ago.

Yes. Eric,  The Clintons in general are corrupt.   Let it be known, that any Clinton is not WANTED as far as the future. Clesea , for example is an unwanted cunt , yes
cunt, we do not want anymore.  They whole clan is unwantted.  OK, We, the US , don't want any more Clinton's any more. OK?  They have been discredited fully. I do not want any more Clintons.  They are awful.  Bill Clintonis is a sex predator, OK?   Then there's "Arkanside, OK, yes Arkansisel.   They're's a weird thing going on, OK.
$hillery is a cunt, OK. I'm going to call her out, she's a cunt, OK ? I hate, hate, her, OK. She is the focus of all Evil in the universe. Now, wrt one wrold-ism is not a good idea.  Here is why, Humans are such tacky, tacky creatures.   Yes , Eric, here me now. OK? Humans are right up there with rats and roaches. Humans are very adaptable like said rats and roaches.   That means , we're like rats and roahes, wrt survivability.  Yes, Eric, humans are just like rats and roaches, we can breed like them.  Humans are , in general, have genetic robustness.   Yes, Eric, humans are very robust, when it comes to genetics., Yes, genetics determine the base of survival.
We, humans have lots of genes that allow us, humans to survive at the level of rats and roaches.  Remember that , Eric. OK?


As for emails, Eric, shame on you.   Shillery is a cunt, OK, yes, she's a cunt.  I have a secret, yes, a secret, OK? My mid sister knows a person who's a pilot for Shillery.  Shillary is a cunt, because she ignores / does not care for her pilots. My sister knows a pilot who flies Shillery's planes.   She told me that said pilot gets ignored by Shillery and only her inner circle gets they bennies.  Eric, Hillery is just plain EVIL. Yes, she's evil, yes she is.  She's a self centered cunt who needs to just go away, OK. She's a "Devil Women".


Trump:  Yeah, I know.  He's a clown.  I'd rather have a clown than a cunt, OK?


::::::: Rags is stoned, Rags likes this, because he feels good, yes, feels good.   Soma is fabulous. Yes, it is, wonderful.  OK.

[Odin]

(03-04-2017, 02:10 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: From CNN, Without evidence, Trump accuses Obama of wiretapping him.

Not sure this one needs more embellishment at this point...

The word is he's spewing idiocy he saw on Breitbart. This guy is a frigging nitwit.

[Odin]

(03-05-2017, 10:44 PM)bobc Wrote:

(03-05-2017, 10:09 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: There was no truth to those emails. They were snips taken out of context, distortions, and outright lies. The Russians and Trump supporters were the originators of "fake news," a slogan that the 1984 Drump has appropriated. Those who investigated leave no doubt that the Russians hacked Podesta's emails. To say otherwise at this point is right-wing propaganda and nothing more. There was nothing illegal going on with Hillary, and the only classified emails on her server were congratulations to African officials. What nonsense, compared to the rampant corruption of Trump and all his minions and appointees. Fact checkers proved that Hillary was one of the most honest candidates, and Trump by far the least honest. Trump does nothing but lie and scream. Those who supported him are responsible for putting a juvenile reactionary in charge of what was a viable democracy. Shame on you bobc for believing all these big lies.

The emails were true. Several Democratic party insiders resigned after specific information about them was released, including rigging the game against Bernie Sanders in the primaries.

There was only fake news saying Russia hacked the emails. The best information showed several parties got those emails with password as password, but that it was an insider, probably Seth Rich, who leaked it. He was later killed in a robbery where no money was taken.

The level of corruption under the Clintons was reaching incredible levels, and now, we the American people, have the chance to drain the swamp.

I'm assuming that you support "progressive" causes. How is corruption, the Clinton foundation bribery machine, mysterious deaths, support of trade agreements made in secret, dirty tricks against the progressive candidate in 2016, helping these causes.
The best way for you to, in the long run, help your causes, would be to support the sweeping away of corruption, shadow government of the intelligence agencies, secret trade deals, over expansion of Federal power, over regulation, dividing the US into hostile interest groups each opposed to each other.
Then, afterward honest debates between socialism versus free market, nationalism versus one worldism, etc., can occur again.

If you are the same Eric I remember in much earlier iterations of this board you were essentially a hippie that believed in spiritualism and ideals from the 1960's. Your current simplisitic assertions of truth and lies, good and evil, just don't do justice to the types of arguments you made 15 or 20 years ago.

Quit reading Breitbart and Infowars.

[Eric the Green]

(03-06-2017, 12:00 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(03-05-2017, 06:30 PM)bobc Wrote: Yes, the big lie is that the "Russians" were responsible for the 2016 election.
Even the most extreme of the allegations are that "the Russians" were responsible for truthful emails of Hillary and associates being leaked to the public.
First of all, the main aggregator of those emails said it was an inside job, not the Russians who leaked it to him. Second of all several intelligence agencies saw the emails, since there was essentially no security. Third of all, the email server itself was illegal.

The main points, is that the public should only have seen the many lies of the Hillary campaign, and by seeing the truth, "the Russians" interfered with the expected and required outcome of the election.

Hey noob. Interesting how you suddenly showed up here.

I'm in a non PC mood today.

Tell us, are you a Russian troll?

I was in a non-pc mood when I replied to that guy too. Oh well, sometimes us prophets can get a little fired up

[Eric the Green]

(03-05-2017, 11:47 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(03-05-2017, 10:44 PM)bobc Wrote:

(03-05-2017, 10:09 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: There was no truth to those emails. They were snips taken out of context, distortions, and outright lies. The Russians and Trump supporters were the originators of "fake news," a slogan that the 1984 Drump has appropriated. Those who investigated leave no doubt that the Russians hacked Podesta's emails. To say otherwise at this point is right-wing propaganda and nothing more. There was nothing illegal going on with Hillary, and the only classified emails on her server were congratulations to African officials. What nonsense, compared to the rampant corruption of Trump and all his minions and appointees. Fact checkers proved that Hillary was one of the most honest candidates, and Trump by far the least honest. Trump does nothing but lie and scream. Those who supported him are responsible for putting a juvenile reactionary in charge of what was a viable democracy. Shame on you bobc for believing all these big lies.

The emails were true. Several Democratic party insiders resigned after specific information about them was released, including rigging the game against Bernie Sanders in the primaries.

There was only fake news saying Russia hacked the emails. The best information showed several parties got those emails with password as password, but that it was an insider, probably Seth Rich, who leaked it. He was later killed in a robbery where no money was taken.

The level of corruption under the Clintons was reaching incredible levels, and now, we the American people, have the chance to drain the swamp.

I'm assuming that you support "progressive" causes. How is corruption, the Clinton foundation bribery machine, mysterious deaths, support of trade agreements made in secret, dirty tricks against the progressive candidate in 2016, helping these causes.
The best way for you to, in the long run, help your causes, would be to support the sweeping away of corruption, shadow government of the intelligence agencies, secret trade deals, over expansion of Federal power, over regulation, dividing the US into hostile interest groups each opposed to each other.
Then, afterward honest debates between socialism versus free market, nationalism versus one world-ism, etc., can occur again.

If you are the same Eric I remember in much earlier iterations of this board you were essentially a hippie that believed in spiritualism and ideals from the 1960's. Your current simplistic assertions of truth and lies, good and evil, just don't do justice to the types of arguments you made 15 or 20 years ago.

Yes. Eric,  The Clintons in general are corrupt.   Let it be known, that any Clinton is not WANTED as far as the future. Clesea , for example is an unwanted cunt , yes
cunt, we do not want anymore.  They whole clan is unwantted.  OK, We, the US , don't want any more Clinton's any more. OK?  They have been discredited fully. I do not want any more Clintons.  They are awful.  Bill Clintonis is a sex predator, OK?   Then there's "Arkanside, OK, yes Arkansisel.   They're's a weird thing going on, OK.
$hillery is a cunt, OK. I'm going to call her out, she's a cunt, OK ? I hate, hate, her, OK. She is the focus of all Evil in the universe. Now, wrt one wrold-ism is not a good idea.  Here is why, Humans are such tacky, tacky creatures.   Yes , Eric, here me now. OK? Humans are right up there with rats and roaches. Humans are very adaptable like said rats and roaches.   That means , we're like rats and roahes, wrt survivability.  Yes, Eric, humans are just like rats and roaches, we can breed like them.  Humans are , in general, have genetic robustness.   Yes, Eric, humans are very robust, when it comes to genetics., Yes, genetics determine the base of survival.
We, humans have lots of genes that allow us, humans to survive at the level of rats and roaches.  Remember that , Eric. OK?

I can't disagree with the statement that the Clintons are over. I see no major future for Chelsea or Hillary as a candidate for prez, at least. But of course I regret very much that she was not elected, and I disagree with your assessment of her and that by our friend bobc (I guess that means Bob C, I don't remember who he is yet). They were certainly not totally discredited, but they are scandal prone and can't seem to shake that image. HUmans are right up there with rats and roaches? Of course, you are exaggerating; just a little? But yes, we are not perfect angels, but that's why I pointed out that we need international as well as national law, and that means mutli-national organizations including great powers like the USA (but not Uncle Sam alone as the world's policeman) need to restrain the worst of the international rats according to law.

But you should stop hating Hillary, or calling her Evil. I know you exaggerate again. What are you smoking today? Just let her alone; she's not guilty of your charges, and you're right; she's not a threat to take power again.

Quote:As for emails, Eric, shame on you.   Shillery is a cunt, OK, yes, she's a cunt.  I have a secret, yes, a secret, OK? My mid sister knows a person who's a pilot for Shillery.  Shillary is a cunt, because she ignores / does not care for her pilots. My sister knows a pilot who flies Shillery's planes.   She told me that said pilot gets ignored by Shillery and only her inner circle gets they bennies.  Eric, Hillery is just plain EVIL. Yes, she's evil, yes she is.  She's a self centered cunt who needs to just go away, OK. She's a "Devil Women".


Trump:  Yeah, I know.  He's a clown.  I'd rather have a clown than a cunt, OK?

entirely and completely wrong, the above. Those who know Hillary have testified over and over that she's great.

Quote:::::::: Rags is stoned, Rags likes this, because he feels good, yes, feels good.   Soma is fabulous. Yes, it is, wonderful.  OK.

But perhaps not prone to the truth on such occasions. Very likely not, judging by your grossly-false above statement.

[Eric the Green]

(03-05-2017, 10:44 PM)bobc Wrote:

(03-05-2017, 10:09 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: There was no truth to those emails. They were snips taken out of context, distortions, and outright lies. The Russians and Trump supporters were the originators of "fake news," a slogan that the 1984 Drump has appropriated. Those who investigated leave no doubt that the Russians hacked Podesta's emails. To say otherwise at this point is right-wing propaganda and nothing more. There was nothing illegal going on with Hillary, and the only classified emails on her server were congratulations to African officials. What nonsense, compared to the rampant corruption of Trump and all his minions and appointees. Fact checkers proved that Hillary was one of the most honest candidates, and Trump by far the least honest. Trump does nothing but lie and scream. Those who supported him are responsible for putting a juvenile reactionary in charge of what was a viable democracy. Shame on you bobc for believing all these big lies.

The emails were true. Several Democratic party insiders resigned after specific information about them was released, including rigging the game against Bernie Sanders in the primaries.

I studied all that quite a lot. The leaked emails were taken out of context and distorted for effect. The "rigging" amounted mostly to some DNC folks like Debbie just wishing things; very little active rigging.

Quote:There was only fake news saying Russia hacked the emails. The best information showed several parties got those emails with password as password, but that it was an insider, probably Seth Rich, who leaked it. He was later killed in a robbery where no money was taken.

The level of corruption under the Clintons was reaching incredible levels, and now, we the American people, have the chance to drain the swamp.

Sorry, that is beyond the pale, as far as error is concerned. You really need to extend your reading beyond the complete fake claims of the Trump side of things. Trump is the biggest liar in the world, and to say he is draining the swamp is like Hitler saying he is Mother Teresa or Jesus Christ. Trump's new swamp is up to his ears in alligators. His appointments are the worst ever, his conflicts of interest are huge, his collusions with Russian hacking are suspiciously illegal and impeachable. Trump is the worst person ever elected to any high office. He is a criminal and a narcissist pig, and shame on anyone who thinks that Hillary's "corruption", which was almost non-existent, in any way compares to Trump's, who is the very definition of a corrupt, unfit would-be insane dictator. In effect, we HAVE no president right now. It's a very-bad reality-TV show with bad ratings and no possible Emmy nomination for his small hands to grab.

Quote:I'm assuming that you support "progressive" causes. How is corruption, the Clinton foundation bribery machine, mysterious deaths, support of trade agreements made in secret, dirty tricks against the progressive candidate in 2016, helping these causes.

Your delusions about these things are too countless to even mention. I have studied these matters; you have not. You are either prejudiced or badly informed. I have posted much about this here in a thread called Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy (and elsewhere). Please read through it. There is much available on the net from bonafide reporters as opposed to right-wing bloggers and fake news.

Quote:The best way for you to, in the long run, help your causes, would be to support the sweeping away of corruption, shadow government of the intelligence agencies, secret trade deals, over expansion of Federal power, over regulation, dividing the US into hostile interest groups each opposed to each other.
Then, afterward honest debates between socialism versus free market, nationalism versus one worldism, etc., can occur again.

You are completely wrong. To sweep away corruption, the first thing to do is to sweep Trump and Republicans of any power. Then, reform politics to take out the money, period. Take out the gerrymandering, the money-laundering, the conflicts of interest, the lobbying revolving door. There is no over-regulation problem, except in the minds of libertarian ideologues and in the minds of greedy, corrupt, criminal businessmen who want no restraint on their profits. THEY are the source of corruption, NOT the Clintons; and they need to be regulated and taxed out of business unless they start doing what they ought to do anyway even without any regulation. If they did THAT, what need would there BE for any of these infamous regulations? Trickle-down free-market schemes like Trump's are the height of foolery, and must be resisted tooth and nail. Get real, Bob. Stop going out to lunch with your head, and come back to reality!

Quote:If you are the same Eric I remember in much earlier iterations of this board you were essentially a hippie that believed in spiritualism and ideals from the 1960's. Your current simplisitic assertions of truth and lies, good and evil, just don't do justice to the types of arguments you made 15 or 20 years ago.

We didn't have a narcissist fool in the Big House and a fanatical group of hoodlums having taken over a major political party 20 years ago. We have a new situation, and no-one can have any credibility in any argument who doesn't realize this. You are just not up on what's happening. I don't know what your problem is, but to put any faith or hope in Trump is to be seriously deluded. Come back again when you can argue from a realistic basis.

[pbrower2a]

(03-05-2017, 10:44 PM)bobc Wrote:

(03-05-2017, 10:09 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: There was no truth to those emails. They were snips taken out of context, distortions, and outright lies. The Russians and Trump supporters were the originators of "fake news," a slogan that the 1984 Drump has appropriated. Those who investigated leave no doubt that the Russians hacked Podesta's emails. To say otherwise at this point is right-wing propaganda and nothing more. There was nothing illegal going on with Hillary, and the only classified emails on her server were congratulations to African officials. What nonsense, compared to the rampant corruption of Trump and all his minions and appointees. Fact checkers proved that Hillary was one of the most honest candidates, and Trump by far the least honest. Trump does nothing but lie and scream. Those who supported him are responsible for putting a juvenile reactionary in charge of what was a viable democracy. Shame on you bobc for believing all these big lies.

The emails were true. Several Democratic party insiders resigned after specific information about them was released, including rigging the game against Bernie Sanders in the primaries.

Trivialities in contrast to the monstrous deeds and outright lies that Republicans did.

Quote:There was only fake news saying Russia hacked the emails. The best information showed several parties got those emails with password as password, but that it was an insider, probably Seth Rich, who leaked it. He was later killed in a robbery where no money was taken.

Where do I begin? Who was doing the hacking?  Let's see... even the defense of the hacking seemed to come with relics of Slavic sentence structure.

Quote:The level of corruption under the Clintons was reaching incredible levels, and now, we the American people, have the chance to drain the swamp.

No. We get a new level of corruption that we Americans could snicker at in recent years because it happened in countries in which the Minister of Transport built a dirt road where a paved road was projected with international aid and agreement because the Minister of Transport transferred the funds for the asphalt went into a numbered Swiss bank account. Donald Trump has more in common with Russian kleptocrats who get monopolistic control of an economic sector and exploit it to the fullest than with T. Boone Pickens, Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Mark Cuban...

Quote:I'm assuming that you support "progressive" causes. How is corruption, the Clinton foundation bribery machine, mysterious deaths, support of trade agreements made in secret, dirty tricks against the progressive candidate in 2016, helping these causes.
The best way for you to, in the long run, help your causes, would be to support the sweeping away of corruption, shadow government of the intelligence agencies, secret trade deals, over expansion of Federal power, over regulation, dividing the US into hostile interest groups each opposed to each other.

The Clinton Foundation has a very good rating for efficient transmission of funds to charitable ends. It is even economical in its fundraising.

Quote:Then, afterward honest debates between socialism versus free market, nationalism versus one worldism, etc., can occur again.

The honest debates are typically between different manifestations of socialism and of capitalism.

But let's start with three easy statements:

1. Crony capitalism is horrible
2. Feudal orders are nightmares, we hope, exclusively of the discredited past
3. Marxism-Leninism is so tragic a failure that we can reject it.

But I will say this of the Marxists: they are the first to ask the question of what a society is like when its economic system is so successful that it makes poverty unnecessary.  Trump and his ilk have a solution: intensify disparities between the very rich and the very poor through monopoly, impose brutal methods of management, and ensure that people live like the proles of 1984, denied any chance to improve their lives but condemned to face a nastier world in which war is a way to keep people scared of freedom and to dispose of surplus population.

Quote:If you are the same Eric I remember in much earlier iterations of this board you were essentially a hippie that believed in spiritualism and ideals from the 1960's. Your current simplisitic assertions of truth and lies, good and evil, just don't do justice to the types of arguments you made 15 or 20 years ago.

And of whom are you an iteration?

[Bob Butler 54]

CBS:  EPA chief says carbon dioxide not a primary cause of global warming

I briefly considered if this belonged over on the environmental section, but it seems to me that it belongs here.

[Eric the Green]

(03-09-2017, 05:00 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(03-09-2017, 03:51 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: CBS:  EPA chief says carbon dioxide not a primary cause of global warming

I briefly considered if this belonged over on the environmental section, but it seems to me that it belongs here.

I'm a luke warmer my self, and even .... gasp! ..... post on Climate Audit and Wattsupwiththat.

Nonetheless, the most I am willing to concede to non-GHG causal factors is 40%. Probably more like 30%.

It's really a question of science, and should not be politics. More like 90% at least of today's global warming is human caused. Probably more like 110%, since we might have been getting colder without humans. Of course, it is political, because government is needed to help solve the problem, and today's neo-liberal Republicans can't approve of that.

[Odin]

(03-09-2017, 03:51 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: CBS:  EPA chief says carbon dioxide not a primary cause of global warming

I briefly considered if this belonged over on the environmental section, but it seems to me that it belongs here.

That's more than a big lie, I'd call that a YOOOOGE lie.

[pbrower2a]

It goes beyond the follies of a flat earth, a hollow earth, or space alien stuff. People aren't making money off it. Denying global warming is falsehood for gain, and it is complicity in something horrible.

I think we can all recognize that Donald Trump believes that anything good for profit is good in itself. But just as I would condemn child pornography for the harm that it implies even if it is profitable (or was at one time), I must treat the denial of global warming.

Swift inundation of much of the world's croplands will literally kill people, especially peasant farmers who have no economic escape. Peasant farmers have typically been the people most vulnerable to political, ecological, economic, and military catastrophes.

"So what?" a right-wing American might say. "America doesn't have peasant farmers in low-altitude areas".

Well, that's most of the people of Bangladesh. That's millions of people in India, China, and Egypt.

Global warming that leads to the inundation of low-lying croplands whose peasant farmers can't move away from is genocide. People who deny the consequences of global warming at the behest of special interests may not have the malign intent that one associates with Nazis shipping Jews off to murder camps, but mass murder is mass murder.

[Eric the Green]

(03-09-2017, 10:24 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(03-09-2017, 09:06 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-09-2017, 05:00 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(03-09-2017, 03:51 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: CBS:  EPA chief says carbon dioxide not a primary cause of global warming

I briefly considered if this belonged over on the environmental section, but it seems to me that it belongs here.

I'm a luke warmer my self, and even .... gasp! ..... post on Climate Audit and Wattsupwiththat.

Nonetheless, the most I am willing to concede to non-GHG causal factors is 40%. Probably more like 30%.

It's really a question of science, and should not be politics. More like 90% at least of today's global warming is human caused. Probably more like 110%, since we might have been getting colder without humans. Of course, it is political, because government is needed to help solve the problem, and today's neo-liberal Republicans can't approve of that.

Eric your own statement is rather unscientific. Actual, real scientists have identified other causal factors leading to AGW, in addition to GHGs.

A good start is an understanding of albedo modifications. There are others.

I am not a climate scientist, but I've looked into this question quite a lot. I don't know what you mean by "albedo modifications." 

What is clear is the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are not the only impact on the Earth and its life of burning carbon-based fuels. Acidification and carbon in the oceans in a major factor contributing to the death of coral and other species there, and the warming of the ocean is even more significant than the warming of the air in its danger to civilization and living species.

Besides burning fossil fuels, deforestation is a major cause of AGW, and emissions and pollution from agribusiness is another major source. 

Politics is the heart of the problem, because if it were not for neo-liberals claiming that regulation is oppression of free enterprise by force, and that deregulation causes economic growth (trickle-down economics), much more would have been done by 2020 to curb emissions and other human causes of global warming. 

By no means is government the only solution, and innovation in the free market is playing a primary role. But at a time when global warming is on the edge of causing severe catastrophe, the change in energy use and other changes that we need are too huge to depend on the market alone. Right-wing libertarian-economics free market ideology is not what we need now. But right now, it rules the roost. Only the progressive regeneracy opposing Trump and advocating solutions can save our civilization now.

Global warming in the distant pre-human past has had other causes. The climate can shift over thousands or millions of years; sometimes faster. But there's no basis for either denying the fact of global warming today, or for saying "the climate always changes" as if that could explain what is happening today. Such arguments are merely made by those blinded by neo-liberal ideology, or whose greed and profit depends on continuing business as usual.

[Ragnarök_62]

(03-10-2017, 12:24 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: The MSM are "luggenpresse"

Yup, ya got it. 




Damn, those technical difficulties.  

[Odin]

Fake news website created to test Donald Trump supporters' gullibility - Reveals they will believe anything

Quote:An American started a fake news website to see how ridiculous a story had to be before Donald Trump supporters realised it was untrue – and ended up concluding that some of them would believe absolutely anything.

Despite aiming to write stories no-one would believe, James McDaniel found Trump supporters who believed that Barack Obama had been plotting a coup from a secret bunker near the White House, and that the British singer Adele had demanded he be jailed for such treachery.

They believed that Obama had tweeted “Trump must be removed as president by any means necessary”, and when one commenter, ‘Truthseeker’, dared suggest the story ‘Obama ran paedophile ring out of White House’ might possibly be fake, he was told: “Really “Truthseeker” if you had ANY clue of the truth, you’d KNOW that Wikileaks hasn’t published ONE thing that has been false. So please use your own mind. Stop listening to MSM [mainstream media] and realize what the TRUTH really is.”

Another commenter, ‘Mary’, said caustically: “Truthseeker? Really … but the truth is bothering you?”

She then – apparently without irony – posted a link to the now notorious ‘Pizzagate’ fake news story, about an alleged a Democratic child sex ring in a Washington pizza parlour, which had prompted one credulous reader to walk into the restaurant with a semi-automatic rifle and open fire.

Mr McDaniel, 28, who is based in Costa Rica and works for an American nutrition company, said that within two weeks of him starting his website undergroundnewsreport.com, it had received more than one million visitors, and hundreds and thousands of likes and shares on Facebook.

He followed ‘Obama ran paedophile ring out of White House’ with a fake story about Wikileaks publishing an email in which Hillary Clinton supposedly urged the then president to restrict his child abuse to ‘the pizza arrangement’.

Despite the obvious reference to Pizzagate, Trump supporters responded by urging Julian Assange to reveal all his Clinton information immediately - because otherwise Democrats might distract the American people with “fake news”.

“This piece by piece,” commented one reader “Gave them time to regroup and start with the Russian fake news about hacking the Election.”

Mr McDaniel said his foray into fake news only made him $615 (£505), which he planned to donate to the 2020 Democratic presidential nominee.

He decided to come clean after seeing the furious, unquestioning reaction when he falsely alleged that actress Whoopi Goldberg had said Carryn Owens, the widow of a dead US serviceman, had been “just looking for attention” when she attended Donald Trump’s speech to Congress.

His confession came in the form of a story published on his website under the headline: “Breaking: Satire makes fools of gullible Trump supporters.”

“When I started this site,” he wrote, “I had no idea that the stories would garner this much attention.

“While writing them, I was aiming for stories that no one would believe, but rather would be satirical in an age where disinformation is so prevalent.

“Just for fun, I decided to post some of the stories in Trump fan groups on Facebook to see the reactions.

“To my surprise, the Trump masses embraced my stories as fact, almost universally. It seemed that there wasn’t anything I could write that was too wild or outrageous to be believed by this particular audience.

“If I wrote about CNN being fake news and connected to ISIS, readers would agree wholeheartedly with my fabricated article. If I wrote about a black liberal or Obama supposedly saying something controversial, the response was unbridled racism and hatred. When I wrote about Hillary Clinton’s new emails that proved she was a child sacrificing maniac, people screamed for her head.”

Writing after Mr Trump has himself accused mainstream media outlets including CNN of being “fake news” and “enemies of the people”, Mr McDaniel added: “It’s truly a frightening time when a group of people screaming, “FAKE NEWS!” at the top of their lungs, live, eat and sleep falsehoods.”

He has now added an update to all other items on his site, linking to his confession and advising: “Anyone who believes this story or any other story on this website needs to read this post.”