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08-29-2018, 08:51 AM
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018...cial-media
In my experience, "social" trends always seem to happen in Europe, to GB, then to New York, then California and then spread out to America to reverberate the same "ripples" again.
A small side note, either I am exceptionally insightful (which is definitely true) or there are just many uninformed people out there (also true), one half of the anagram for NAZI is SOCIAL. National Socialist. That is what forms the anagram NAZI. Two words. National & Social. Now back to regularly-scheduled blah blah
It is shocking the trend coming out of GB is to turn off social media. I have never believed that phrase (social media) accurately describes the things depicted in the article such as platforms or ways of interacting. It is a marketing employment, and turned out to be a really effective one. Forcing a whole generation to believe that to not exist in "Social Media" is to not exist at all. This is definitely a large wave in "national mood" even though no evidence like this is produced as referring to the United States. But to beat the curve, we can look at what's coming to see when it will or IF it will manifest here.
If any consolation, the Kardashians (I use that as a baseline for the modern "connected" generation) they received much public renouncing with the Kanye MAGA backwash and a lot of other things. It was not one thing or another, it seemed like this plastic "family" had been melting for at least the last half decade. If we are here to study a 4th Turning situation, it is important to remember we should not expect anything we have seen before. It won't look the way we might expect. The reality is probably going to be reactionary and very large AGAINST things that have been hugely popular previously.
As for me, I've been sort of hiding in the corner waiting for this "social" mess to pass over, l'ange du mort, for years now. I have never had a personal fakebook account. Never had a personal twitter account either. And when ever using these things, I felt since the beginning it was some sort of Doom we all were swallowing as so much sticky ice cream in the heat because the power went out and why watch ice cream melt.
I truly did not see this until after posting -- Kardashian Ratings Freefall.
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There is something ridiculous and vain about social media, especially when seeking approval in the form of likes on posts. But it is also fun. Personally I am a heavy user of social media and enjoy the feeling of connection with people spanning the country (even the globe, a little bit) and also staying connected with social groups that I left physically many years ago. It is not a substitute for real socialization but it is an enjoyable use of time.
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08-30-2018, 08:23 AM
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(08-30-2018, 06:54 AM)sbarrera Wrote: There is something ridiculous and vain about social media, especially when seeking approval in the form of likes on posts. But it is also fun. Personally I am a heavy user of social media and enjoy the feeling of connection with people spanning the country (even the globe, a little bit) and also staying connected with social groups that I left physically many years ago. It is not a substitute for real socialization but it is an enjoyable use of time.
I think in bold is what bothered the teens in that story, they felt like these platforms were a lie. They felt that it was not about being "connected at all" but rather only gave that allure. It ever was really about people having the tools to be better liars. They can make their own lives appear so adorned and perfect.... yet as you say, isn't that a vain thing? And isn't every teen a vain creature... giving them things like fakebook (to put all their photoshopped images up for the jealous) and making their lives seem like the most important thing that ever happened with twitter, we should hang on their every thought - as messed and incoherent as it may be. In fact, when the world carefully constructs their messages into 140 characters... each character of their message has value! - I have laughed.
Who is even paying attention to them? Why does anyone care about what Scott from Jeruth, MT feels about NASA budget or that they wanted prop 44 or to raise taxes or that they love the Kardashians who are welcoming a new baby with rapper lil pooper.
Still, the platforms are ready-made feedback loops, training humans TO exist in bubbles, not to expand. Reflecting back to them the presence of only those already listening/participating.
As you say "being connected" -- well, the hardware for access to others thank god exists. Wonderful thing. When the Internet first came on, we all used it for expanding into territories of things we were interested in, and met others of similar interests. That seems now inverted to the extreme. We congregate with others BECAUSE they have interests similar views on how a life should APPEAR TO OTHERS. Then whoever crafts it the best sits at the Mean Girls table. All the rest form concentric rings around that table to stare at them and covet them/their lives.
And none of it is real. Some of it may be. This may have something to do with perception instead of others trying to fake it, but I think at some point there was a "last real person" on the Internet, and it became something other than was used for before the "general populace" (I use that loosely) had access to it or interest in it.
I find it so entertaining how those using a PRE "socialz" version of the Internet would never ever have been sucked into the faux and clamorous platforms like fakebook and twitter. Did I ever imagine people would be posting messages of their own thoughts to the world thinking it actually mattered to the larger scope? n-e-v-e-r
We didn't look at it that way. It was about pure exploration. The first taste of a visual Internet came with Mosaic, of course (the first visual browser) followed closely after by Netscape. However, I recall a INTERNET YELLOW PAGES where you could look up websites by subject matter and themes. And if anyone asked for personal information, the immediate response was to not give it where now, it is given almost automatically, and almost begged to be given away. Fakebook can help me "connect" with more? All it needs is some more information/permission/participation from me? DON'T EVEN ASK! Set it to auto-accept function.
The experience was more about us expanding our interests with the access to information ON those interests.......... now, the experience is about us conforming our interests to those around us as best as possible and giving away personal information/permissions for the sheer privilege to have a platform to do so.
So, I find it good people are beginning to at least question: hey IS this preempting my authentic interaction with others? Is it stunting my growth as a person instead of helping it?
I'd love to know if the "nazis" (national socialz) would battle so hard for the bullying, suicides, stunted growth and sheer depressions caused on users as has been lately made for the case on ABUSE OF OPIOIDS LEADING TO DEATH. What's the ratio? How many people died due to using xanax and percocet together, thus incurring respiratory failure VS suicide, murders, overdoses from the daily devastating daily harm of the "nazis" through described above in this post. We are at war right now against pain management. People going in for SURGERIES are having a hard time convincing doctors to prescribe realistic levels of pain medication. It's almost like we want ppl to suffer.
So, that's a national emergency and people who need medication are being denied - even the tough-as-nails patients with Advocates and Doctor referrals and actual real, tangible reasons why they need the medication.................. nope nope! You cannot have Mental Health because people are dying from the combination of 2 prescription drugs. But the horrors of "nazis" play out every day, someone just died RIGHT NOW statistically from being harassed on fakebook. They hung themselves in a cupboard doorjam because a semi-nude pic they gave to their gf/bf in confidence is now making the rounds.
ONE SERVES GDP, THE OTHER DOES NOT. ONE AFFECTS STOCK MARKET NUMBERS AND ONE DOES NOT. I keep concluding at the part where America and Capitalism ...... it's close to the time when Apple Pie will not just be for patriotism but also for Corporate inflation (not inflation but rather "promotion and usage"(?)). For a while there, I imagined kids' walls containing a fakebook sticker, or their car or bike or something.............. where Corporate Loyalty and Corporate Appreciation is on par with some kind of twisted National Anthem.
Am I really so far off base? Isn't overlord "empire" really just boiling it down to who rules and how? Corporatocracy with Big Box for-profit corps and politics/politicians.... working together to form a more perfect union. The twin pillars of American civilization, Corporation and Political Process. Odd, isn't thhat what this whole Russia thing is about? Corporatocracy being accused of influencing votes to one candidate over another?
hope that made sense 
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(08-30-2018, 06:54 AM)sbarrera Wrote: There is something ridiculous and vain about social media, especially when seeking approval in the form of likes on posts. But it is also fun. Personally I am a heavy user of social media and enjoy the feeling of connection with people spanning the country (even the globe, a little bit) and also staying connected with social groups that I left physically many years ago. It is not a substitute for real socialization but it is an enjoyable use of time.
I'm the exact opposite, even shunning the 4th Turning Group on FB.
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08-30-2018, 09:30 PM
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(08-29-2018, 08:51 AM)TheNomad Wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018...cial-media
In my experience, "social" trends always seem to happen in Europe, to GB, then to New York, then California and then spread out to America to reverberate the same "ripples" again.
A small side note, either I am exceptionally insightful (which is definitely true) or there are just many uninformed people out there (also true), one half of the anagram for NAZI is SOCIAL. National Socialist. That is what forms the anagram NAZI. Two words. National & Social. Now back to regularly-scheduled blah blah
It is shocking the trend coming out of GB is to turn off social media. I have never believed that phrase (social media) accurately describes the things depicted in the article such as platforms or ways of interacting. It is a marketing employment, and turned out to be a really effective one. Forcing a whole generation to believe that to not exist in "Social Media" is to not exist at all. This is definitely a large wave in "national mood" even though no evidence like this is produced as referring to the United States. But to beat the curve, we can look at what's coming to see when it will or IF it will manifest here.
If any consolation, the Kardashians (I use that as a baseline for the modern "connected" generation) they received much public renouncing with the Kanye MAGA backwash and a lot of other things. It was not one thing or another, it seemed like this plastic "family" had been melting for at least the last half decade. If we are here to study a 4th Turning situation, it is important to remember we should not expect anything we have seen before. It won't look the way we might expect. The reality is probably going to be reactionary and very large AGAINST things that have been hugely popular previously.
As for me, I've been sort of hiding in the corner waiting for this "social" mess to pass over, l'ange du mort, for years now. I have never had a personal fakebook account. Never had a personal twitter account either. And when ever using these things, I felt since the beginning it was some sort of Doom we all were swallowing as so much sticky ice cream in the heat because the power went out and why watch ice cream melt.
I truly did not see this until after posting -- Kardashian Ratings Freefall.
One thing I have avoided until now is pay TV (cable and satellite). I have never even seen the Kardashians. I don't think I've missed anything, or much else worthwhile on TV, whether broadcast or pay TV. I watch game shows, news and PBS documentaries. Of course, I don't do well on the recent pop culture categories on Jeopardy. Broadcast digital TV added extra channels, which was somewhat of a compensation for those of us without cable. There's no new shows on these, though; they are cheapies. I like some of the oldie broadcast TV network channels, although they just took the best one away here in SF Bay. And there is an extra PBS channel called World too. But I don't think all these are available on cable.
I don't have a mobile phone, or a twitter account, but I've been hooked into facefuck, and it's a big time waster. But so has this forum been for the last 21 years. I think a departure or boycott of social media might be a good idea. It won't go away, but it is too predominant. It's fun though, because of the ability to connect with people far away, and give voice to your thoughts and creative dreams and visions to more people. You tube was a great thing. So there's that, which those of us who grew up without this, appreciate. In those days, connecting with people long distance meant only an expensive phone call, or publishing something, or writing a letter and awaiting a reply.
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08-30-2018, 10:31 PM
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(08-30-2018, 09:30 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (08-29-2018, 08:51 AM)TheNomad Wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018...cial-media
In my experience, "social" trends always seem to happen in Europe, to GB, then to New York, then California and then spread out to America to reverberate the same "ripples" again.
A small side note, either I am exceptionally insightful (which is definitely true) or there are just many uninformed people out there (also true), one half of the anagram for NAZI is SOCIAL. National Socialist. That is what forms the anagram NAZI. Two words. National & Social. Now back to regularly-scheduled blah blah
It is shocking the trend coming out of GB is to turn off social media. I have never believed that phrase (social media) accurately describes the things depicted in the article such as platforms or ways of interacting. It is a marketing employment, and turned out to be a really effective one. Forcing a whole generation to believe that to not exist in "Social Media" is to not exist at all. This is definitely a large wave in "national mood" even though no evidence like this is produced as referring to the United States. But to beat the curve, we can look at what's coming to see when it will or IF it will manifest here.
If any consolation, the Kardashians (I use that as a baseline for the modern "connected" generation) they received much public renouncing with the Kanye MAGA backwash and a lot of other things. It was not one thing or another, it seemed like this plastic "family" had been melting for at least the last half decade. If we are here to study a 4th Turning situation, it is important to remember we should not expect anything we have seen before. It won't look the way we might expect. The reality is probably going to be reactionary and very large AGAINST things that have been hugely popular previously.
As for me, I've been sort of hiding in the corner waiting for this "social" mess to pass over, l'ange du mort, for years now. I have never had a personal fakebook account. Never had a personal twitter account either. And when ever using these things, I felt since the beginning it was some sort of Doom we all were swallowing as so much sticky ice cream in the heat because the power went out and why watch ice cream melt.
I truly did not see this until after posting -- Kardashian Ratings Freefall.
One thing I have avoided until now is pay TV (cable and satellite). I have never even seen the Kardashians. I don't think I've missed anything, or much else worthwhile on TV, whether broadcast or pay TV. I watch game shows, news and PBS documentaries. Of course, I don't do well on the recent pop culture categories on Jeopardy. Broadcast digital TV added extra channels, which was somewhat of a compensation for those of us without cable. There's no new shows on these, though; they are cheapies. I like some of the oldie broadcast TV network channels, although they just took the best one away here in SF Bay. And there is an extra PBS channel called World too. But I don't think all these are available on cable.
I don't have a mobile phone, or a twitter account, but I've been hooked into facefuck, and it's a big time waster. But so has this forum been for the last 21 years. I think a departure or boycott of social media might be a good idea. It won't go away, but it is too predominant. It's fun though, because of the ability to connect with people far away, and give voice to your thoughts and creative dreams and visions to more people. You tube was a great thing. So there's that, which those of us who grew up without this, appreciate. In those days, connecting with people long distance meant only an expensive phone call, or publishing something, or writing a letter and awaiting a reply.
I have never seen an episode of kardashians. I don't seek them out in any way, that is why it shows how pervasive it is that I associate it with metadoom. I would love to get you hooked up with pirating, it's a fun way to get the stuff you want and only that and a way to experiment based on the suggestions of others. I have not had any form of cable TV since I think possibly early 00s. But I have always been on top of the best TV shows and movies and pop culture. I so so miss the idea of "old TV" when sitting on the couch clicking channels until seeing something you might like and/or moving on. That hasn't existed in a LONG time. TV turned into the long slow buttons and complicated menus........ I'm talking old school remote UP ARROW DOWN ARROW. I miss watching CNN and the Weather Channel just letting TV play in the background.
The weather channel was nurturing to me! The maps would repeat over and over with simple local reports, shorts updates on global weather, and maps hypnotize me  so Weather Channel was xanax for a troubled teen. Go figure. The amount of bombardment currently sent at (mostly) young ppl (or those who choose to become heavily entrench in "socialz") it shocks me. I couldn't do it I don't think. Be connected so completely, and everything just in my face 24/7.
What does anyone feel about this? Could you - now at your ages - imagine having this tech in JH and HS and having to exist in a world of everything is recorded and snipes can come from any direction at any moment, you can't "hide" from contact unless you turn the phone off which youngers really have no experience and even fear doing. COULD YOU DO IT? I'm not sure I could have.
Anyway. my first experiences with news was the Gulf War when CNN rose to utter news ascension and was the pinnacle of anything happening anywhere on planet earth (or at least that's what it felt like!). omg.... the news would on WITHOUT END hour after hour after day after day and was always moving around the globe or nation to something different. Talking heads and shouting matches by witty hosts was not a thing. There was a wonderful moment of reverence for information, respect for our place on the globe, emerging issues being easily accessible. God bless Ted Turner at least for that. AND TCM! Whatever his politics, THAT is a philanthropist unmatched in the Arts & Entertainment. Or maybe just a fond delusion of a Nomad.
Yes, totally when you say the Internet gave us a totally economic way to access others at distances. And email revolutionized to a level not yet even known today.
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(08-30-2018, 10:31 PM)TheNomad Wrote: What does anyone feel about this? Could you - now at your ages - imagine having this tech in JH and HS and having to exist in a world of everything is recorded and snipes can come from any direction at any moment, you can't "hide" from contact unless you turn the phone off which youngers really have no experience and even fear doing. COULD YOU DO IT? I'm not sure I could have.
I was a loner and iconoclast even then. I doubt I would have been a charter member of the everything-in-the-open club, so yes. I would have just ignored social media as I do now. It only takes a few examples of social disaster to learn from the mistakes of others.
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(08-31-2018, 09:59 AM)David Horn Wrote: (08-30-2018, 10:31 PM)TheNomad Wrote: What does anyone feel about this? Could you - now at your ages - imagine having this tech in JH and HS and having to exist in a world of everything is recorded and snipes can come from any direction at any moment, you can't "hide" from contact unless you turn the phone off which youngers really have no experience and even fear doing. COULD YOU DO IT? I'm not sure I could have.
I was a loner and iconoclast even then. I doubt I would have been a charter member of the everything-in-the-open club, so yes. I would have just ignored social media as I do now. It only takes a few examples of social disaster to learn from the mistakes of others.
I hung out with the freaks and geeks. I cannot imagine how we could have done what we did in an age of constant surveillance. But I also think there is more stigma today against deviant behavior than in the late Awakening when I was a teen.
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(08-30-2018, 09:30 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I don't have a mobile phone, or a twitter account, but I've been hooked into facefuck, and it's a big time waster. But so has this forum been for the last 21 years. I think a departure or boycott of social media might be a good idea. It won't go away, but it is too predominant. It's fun though, because of the ability to connect with people far away, and give voice to your thoughts and creative dreams and visions to more people. You tube was a great thing. So there's that, which those of us who grew up without this, appreciate. In those days, connecting with people long distance meant only an expensive phone call, or publishing something, or writing a letter and awaiting a reply.
Eric, when you say time waster, I hope you just mean that it uses a lot of your time, not that you really feel it is wasted. Why would you participate if there was no value? I think our discussions here and on the FB group are both meaningful.
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