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#81
Well, I was looking at some genealogy stuff, and found out why I will accept Zero BS.  They worked on it early.

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#82
(03-25-2018, 05:57 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I would say no.  The marchers in Washington were not there primarily to wish Mike a happy birthday.

That is only a secondary consideration.  Wink

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#83
(01-09-2018, 07:59 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(01-07-2018, 01:22 AM)Galen Wrote:
(01-06-2018, 10:08 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: As or haves and have nots they have existed in every society.  Liberty necessitates inequality BECAUSE equality is the polar opposite of liberty.  As the 20th century has proved, any move toward "equality" at the expense of liberty leads to an equality of the lowest common denominator.  Socialism makes everyone equally poor, equally hungry, equally naked and equally ignorant.

Socialists and modern liberals tend to be envy driven lifeforms who would prefer that everyone is equally miserable.  That is paradise to someone like Eric the Obtuse.

Oh no, no, not at all. I just want YOU to be miserable! That would be paradise to me.
Even if you disagree with someone, no need for that at all. Even though i disagree with a few of you guys on certain topics, including you I would never wish any of you harm nor misery. Not cool Eric. I thought you were an awakened individual?
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#84
(02-06-2019, 10:40 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(01-09-2018, 07:59 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(01-07-2018, 01:22 AM)Galen Wrote:
(01-06-2018, 10:08 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: As or haves and have nots they have existed in every society.  Liberty necessitates inequality BECAUSE equality is the polar opposite of liberty.  As the 20th century has proved, any move toward "equality" at the expense of liberty leads to an equality of the lowest common denominator.  Socialism makes everyone equally poor, equally hungry, equally naked and equally ignorant.

Socialists and modern liberals tend to be envy driven lifeforms who would prefer that everyone is equally miserable.  That is paradise to someone like Eric (insult redacted).

Oh no, no, not at all. I just want YOU to be miserable! That would be paradise to me.
Even if you disagree with someone, no need for that at all. Even though i disagree with a few of you guys on certain topics, including you I would never wish any of you harm nor misery. Not cool Eric. I thought you were an awakened individual?

Some people will be miserable in the world that technological marvels create and with the economic realities that those marvels mandate. We can get incredible productivity with little labor, as with some of the computer-directed production that we will have. 

Do we deny such productivity or do we adjust, perhaps by taxing the non-human productivity heavily to ensure that everyone can have a satisfying life?

https://www.wired.com/story/worlds-faste...ai-record/

There won't be enough work to spread around as farm labor.  Maybe we practically all do some nominal work just so that we feel honest about what we are doing.

Even such an activity as teaching will change as computers replace the process of teaching in K-12 education.

If all the gain goes to asset owners, then we will be miserable. An economic order that serves only the gain, indulgence, and power of economic elites is the sort in which people want to overthrow and dispossess those elites.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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#85
(02-06-2019, 11:41 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:
(02-06-2019, 10:40 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(01-09-2018, 07:59 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(01-07-2018, 01:22 AM)Galen Wrote:
(01-06-2018, 10:08 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: As or haves and have nots they have existed in every society.  Liberty necessitates inequality BECAUSE equality is the polar opposite of liberty.  As the 20th century has proved, any move toward "equality" at the expense of liberty leads to an equality of the lowest common denominator.  Socialism makes everyone equally poor, equally hungry, equally naked and equally ignorant.

Socialists and modern liberals tend to be envy driven lifeforms who would prefer that everyone is equally miserable.  That is paradise to someone like Eric (insult redacted).

Oh no, no, not at all. I just want YOU to be miserable! That would be paradise to me.
Even if you disagree with someone, no need for that at all. Even though i disagree with a few of you guys on certain topics, including you I would never wish any of you harm nor misery. Not cool Eric. I thought you were an awakened individual?

Some people will be miserable in the world that technological marvels create and with the economic realities that those marvels mandate. We can get incredible productivity with little labor, as with some of the computer-directed production that we will have. 

Do we deny such productivity or do we adjust, perhaps by taxing the non-human productivity heavily to ensure that everyone can have a satisfying life?

https://www.wired.com/story/worlds-faste...ai-record/

There won't be enough work to spread around as farm labor.  Maybe we practically all do some nominal work just so that we feel honest about what we are doing.

Even such an activity as teaching will change as computers replace the process of teaching in K-12 education.

If all the gain goes to asset owners, then we will be miserable. An economic order that serves only the gain, indulgence, and power of economic elites is the sort in which people want to overthrow and dispossess those elites.

That was not the topic of my comment, but rather how we treat each other, but ok.
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#86
Glad your ok Bob. Hope you stay healthy
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#87
(02-06-2019, 10:40 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(01-09-2018, 07:59 PM)Eric the Obtuse Wrote:
(01-07-2018, 01:22 AM)Galen Wrote:
(01-06-2018, 10:08 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: As or haves and have nots they have existed in every society.  Liberty necessitates inequality BECAUSE equality is the polar opposite of liberty.  As the 20th century has proved, any move toward "equality" at the expense of liberty leads to an equality of the lowest common denominator.  Socialism makes everyone equally poor, equally hungry, equally naked and equally ignorant.

Socialists and modern liberals tend to be envy driven lifeforms who would prefer that everyone is equally miserable.  That is paradise to someone like Eric the Obtuse.

Oh no, no, not at all. I just want YOU to be miserable! That would be paradise to me.
Even if you disagree with someone, no need for that at all. Even though i disagree with a few of you guys on certain topics, including you I would never wish any of you harm nor misery. Not cool Eric. I thought you were an awakened individual?

If this doesn't illustrate what really motivates the left then I don't know what will.
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. -- H.L. Mencken

If one rejects laissez faire on account of man's fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action.   -- Ludwig von Mises
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#88
(02-07-2019, 04:11 AM)Galen Wrote:
(02-06-2019, 10:40 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(01-09-2018, 07:59 PM)Eric the Obtuse Wrote:
(01-07-2018, 01:22 AM)Galen Wrote:
(01-06-2018, 10:08 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: As or haves and have nots they have existed in every society.  Liberty necessitates inequality BECAUSE equality is the polar opposite of liberty.  As the 20th century has proved, any move toward "equality" at the expense of liberty leads to an equality of the lowest common denominator.  Socialism makes everyone equally poor, equally hungry, equally naked and equally ignorant.

Socialists and modern liberals tend to be envy driven lifeforms who would prefer that everyone is equally miserable.  That is paradise to someone like Eric the Obtuse.

Oh no, no, not at all. I just want YOU to be miserable! That would be paradise to me.
Even if you disagree with someone, no need for that at all. Even though i disagree with a few of you guys on certain topics, including you I would never wish any of you harm nor misery. Not cool Eric. I thought you were an awakened individual?

If this doesn't illustrate what really motivates the left then I don't know what will.

I am not about generalizations either. Kind of like many other generalizations. It ignores for the sake of individual bias and inner comfort in what that person feels more comfortable as calling truth.
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#89
(02-07-2019, 04:32 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 04:11 AM)Galen Wrote: If this doesn't illustrate what really motivates the left then I don't know what will.

I am not about generalizations either. Kind of like many other generalizations. It ignores for the sake of individual bias and inner comfort in what that person feels more comfortable as calling truth.

If you are willing to use force to take from one to give to another, which is what the left is willing to do, then it is very hard to see them as benevolent.  In a very real sense Eric the Obtuse sees me and others like me as standing in the way of heaven on earth and so would have no problem pointing a gun a me and pulling the trigger to get what he wants.  Do you really think he is all that unusual among the left?

Robert Heilbroner is unusual among socialists in that he was willing to tell the truth about socialism.  I strongly recommend that you consider his words.

After reading that do you really think that the attitude of Eric the Obtuse is really all that unusual among the left?
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. -- H.L. Mencken

If one rejects laissez faire on account of man's fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action.   -- Ludwig von Mises
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#90
(02-07-2019, 04:53 AM)Galen Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 04:32 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 04:11 AM)Galen Wrote: If this doesn't illustrate what really motivates the left then I don't know what will.

I am not about generalizations either. Kind of like many other generalizations. It ignores for the sake of individual bias and inner comfort in what that person feels more comfortable as calling truth.

If you are willing to use force to take from one to give to another, which is what the left is willing to do, then it is very hard to see them as benevolent.  In a very real sense Eric the Obtuse sees me and others like me as standing in the way of heaven on earth and so would have no problem pointing a gun a me and pulling the trigger to get what he wants.  Do you really think he is all that unusual among the left?

Robert Heilbroner is unusual among socialists in that he was willing to tell the truth about socialism.  I strongly recommend that you consider his words.

After reading that do you really think that the attitude of Eric the Obtuse is really all that unusual among the left?
Actually I see both sides doing this and as with everything the worst of the lot tends to get more coverage as they are the loudest of the crowd. Kind of like religion. Every group has variety, every group has its assholes. I rather see the colours, not in black and white. Generalizations ignore so much and as I was originally guilty for doing this with religion when seeing what so many seemed to be doing I realized that i was just following what media wanted me to see. The nasty side of life. Now i have opened my eyes and realized this fact, I refuse to go down that path again and rather take it as it is on an individual basis. Like religion, people follow ideology of one party or another for their own individual reasons and what they are doing as a whole should also be of interest, while keeping away from generalizations as it tends to then alienate and turn one or the other into the enemy. Giving what your leaders want essentially.
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#91
(02-07-2019, 04:11 AM)Galen Wrote:
(02-06-2019, 10:40 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(01-09-2018, 07:59 PM)Eric the Obtuse Wrote:
(01-07-2018, 01:22 AM)Galen Wrote:
(01-06-2018, 10:08 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: As or haves and have nots they have existed in every society.  Liberty necessitates inequality BECAUSE equality is the polar opposite of liberty.  As the 20th century has proved, any move toward "equality" at the expense of liberty leads to an equality of the lowest common denominator.  Socialism makes everyone equally poor, equally hungry, equally naked and equally ignorant.

Socialists and modern liberals tend to be envy driven lifeforms who would prefer that everyone is equally miserable.  That is paradise to someone like Eric the Obtuse.

Oh no, no, not at all. I just want YOU to be miserable! That would be paradise to me.

Even if you disagree with someone, no need for that at all. Even though i disagree with a few of you guys on certain topics, including you I would never wish any of you harm nor misery. Not cool Eric. I thought you were an awakened individual?

If this doesn't illustrate what really motivates the left then I don't know what will.

Really?  Eric was obviously being facetious, but that seems to be an unacceptable style these days.  Give it a rest!
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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#92
(02-07-2019, 12:38 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 04:11 AM)Galen Wrote:
(02-06-2019, 10:40 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(01-09-2018, 07:59 PM)Eric the Obtuse Wrote:
(01-07-2018, 01:22 AM)Galen Wrote: Socialists and modern liberals tend to be envy driven lifeforms who would prefer that everyone is equally miserable.  That is paradise to someone like Eric the Obtuse.

Oh no, no, not at all. I just want YOU to be miserable! That would be paradise to me.

Even if you disagree with someone, no need for that at all. Even though i disagree with a few of you guys on certain topics, including you I would never wish any of you harm nor misery. Not cool Eric. I thought you were an awakened individual?

If this doesn't illustrate what really motivates the left then I don't know what will.

Really?  Eric was obviously being facetious, but that seems to be an unacceptable style these days.  Give it a rest!

Quite so. And poor Tara doesn't even realize that our communications are long over with entirely. Both of these guys are on my short ignore list. This exchange is quite amusing, though. I didn't know that even Galen would provide me the honor of being the one who can illustrate what motivates the entire Left.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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#93
(03-28-2018, 12:14 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Well, I was looking at some genealogy stuff, and found out why I will accept Zero BS.  They worked on it early.

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Wow, born without a religion! Or a formula. That explains a lot Wink
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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#94
(02-07-2019, 01:50 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(03-28-2018, 12:14 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Well, I was looking at some genealogy stuff, and found out why I will accept Zero BS.  They worked on it early.

[Image: BobbyCard.jpg]

Wow, born without a religion! Or a formula. That explains a lot Wink

Yup, and green star formula which is strange. Moi? I was breast fed, so mine has a pic of tits. Big Grin
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#95
(02-07-2019, 01:43 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 12:38 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 04:11 AM)Galen Wrote:
(02-06-2019, 10:40 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(01-09-2018, 07:59 PM)Eric the Obtuse Wrote: Oh no, no, not at all. I just want YOU to be miserable! That would be paradise to me.

Even if you disagree with someone, no need for that at all. Even though i disagree with a few of you guys on certain topics, including you I would never wish any of you harm nor misery. Not cool Eric. I thought you were an awakened individual?

If this doesn't illustrate what really motivates the left then I don't know what will.

Really?  Eric was obviously being facetious, but that seems to be an unacceptable style these days.  Give it a rest!

Quite so. And poor Tara doesn't even realize that our communications are long over with entirely. Both of these guys are on my short ignore list. This exchange is quite amusing, though. I didn't know that even Galen would provide me the honor of being the one who can illustrate what motivates the entire Left.

I know I am. Does not stop me pointing things out however. I would have thought a man your age would learn to be more respectful though. I thought you were "awakened." Clearly it does not mean one has to have manners and a kind heart.
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#96
(02-07-2019, 04:53 AM)Galen Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 04:32 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 04:11 AM)Galen Wrote: If this doesn't illustrate what really motivates the left then I don't know what will.

I am not about generalizations either. Kind of like many other generalizations. It ignores for the sake of individual bias and inner comfort in what that person feels more comfortable as calling truth.

If you are willing to use force to take from one to give to another, which is what the left is willing to do, then it is very hard to see them as benevolent.  In a very real sense Eric the Obtuse sees me and others like me as standing in the way of heaven on earth and so would have no problem pointing a gun a me and pulling the trigger to get what he wants.  Do you really think he is all that unusual among the left?

Robert Heilbroner is unusual among socialists in that he was willing to tell the truth about socialism.  I strongly recommend that you consider his words.

After reading that do you really think that the attitude of Eric the Obtuse is really all that unusual among the left?
Fortunately, the Left has a formidable adversary who would also use force to take back whatever the Left seizes or lays claim to under the guise of having been given/granted or democratically obtaining the legal right to do so by its Leftist government.  I don't think he'd have anymore of an issue with executing you than I'd have with executing him for doing so or attempting to do so. Eric has a choice to make now that he has been educated/ informed by a member of the REAL American right.
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#97
(02-07-2019, 04:01 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 01:43 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 12:38 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 04:11 AM)Galen Wrote:
(02-06-2019, 10:40 PM)taramarie Wrote: Even if you disagree with someone, no need for that at all. Even though i disagree with a few of you guys on certain topics, including you I would never wish any of you harm nor misery. Not cool Eric. I thought you were an awakened individual?

If this doesn't illustrate what really motivates the left then I don't know what will.

Really?  Eric was obviously being facetious, but that seems to be an unacceptable style these days.  Give it a rest!

Quite so. And poor Tara doesn't even realize that our communications are long over with entirely. Both of these guys are on my short ignore list. This exchange is quite amusing, though. I didn't know that even Galen would provide me the honor of being the one who can illustrate what motivates the entire Left.

I know I am. Does not stop me pointing things out however. I would have thought a man your age would learn to be more respectful though. I thought you were "awakened." Clearly it does not mean one has to have manners and a kind heart.
Yes, Eric is a thin skinned individual who takes shit personally. You are supposed to be a loyal blue like the loyal blues he's more accustomed to being around. As a blue, you're not supposed to have an independent side or an independent nature or show signs of having a mind of your own either. In America, the blues function more like a cult. I assume the bulk of your information about the American Right/the Republican voters comes from them and their global media sources.
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#98
(02-08-2019, 12:41 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 04:01 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 01:43 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 12:38 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 04:11 AM)Galen Wrote: If this doesn't illustrate what really motivates the left then I don't know what will.

Really?  Eric was obviously being facetious, but that seems to be an unacceptable style these days.  Give it a rest!

Quite so. And poor Tara doesn't even realize that our communications are long over with entirely. Both of these guys are on my short ignore list. This exchange is quite amusing, though. I didn't know that even Galen would provide me the honor of being the one who can illustrate what motivates the entire Left.

I know I am. Does not stop me pointing things out however. I would have thought a man your age would learn to be more respectful though. I thought you were "awakened." Clearly it does not mean one has to have manners and a kind heart.
Yes, Eric is a thin skinned individual who takes shit personally. You are supposed to be a loyal blue like the loyal blues he's more accustomed to being around. As a blue, you're not supposed to have an independent side or an independent nature or show signs of having a mind of your own either. In America, the blues function more like a cult. I assume the bulk of your information about the American Right/the Republican voters comes from them and their global media sources.
Clearly otherwise he would not have blocked me. I see the positives and negatives of both parties here and abroad. Not just in NZ or America, but also following what they are doing in the country which soon will be my new home, Slovakia and i DON'T like what their former communist lefty party is doing regarding the healthcare system of late. So, no I don't follow blindly, hence why I state people are not all the same. Some follow blindly, but i do have a mind of my own. As for the bulk of my information about the parties in USA about Republicans from leftiest news, I will not say no. As it appears to me that news sources over there, the majority of them have either left or right wing favouribility and act as one or the other party's parrot. I will just say i see it, and i don't trust it. But it surely will affect me as mass media inevitably does, doesn't it. Which is why i ground myself by hanging around people who are of both parties to see what they are really like. A good dose of reality is the best medicine after all to drown out the lying biased media.
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#99
(02-08-2019, 12:41 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 04:01 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 01:43 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 12:38 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 04:11 AM)Galen Wrote: If this doesn't illustrate what really motivates the left then I don't know what will.

Really?  Eric was obviously being facetious, but that seems to be an unacceptable style these days.  Give it a rest!

Quite so. And poor Tara doesn't even realize that our communications are long over with entirely. Both of these guys are on my short ignore list. This exchange is quite amusing, though. I didn't know that even Galen would provide me the honor of being the one who can illustrate what motivates the entire Left.

I know I am. Does not stop me pointing things out however. I would have thought a man your age would learn to be more respectful though. I thought you were "awakened." Clearly it does not mean one has to have manners and a kind heart.
Yes, Eric is a thin skinned individual who takes shit personally. You are supposed to be a loyal blue like the loyal blues he's more accustomed to being around. As a blue, you're not supposed to have an independent side or an independent nature or show signs of having a mind of your own either. In America, the blues function more like a cult. I assume the bulk of your information about the American Right/the Republican voters comes from them and their global media sources.

I don't recall taking Classic Xer's posts personally. I know he hurls insults at me, and even threats, and they go off my back, and I encourage him to post his views, and I counter them as best I can to the extent that I want to.

Terror Marie is a different sort of creature. She is unrelenting in her mean insults, guilt trips and unwanted, hypocritical advice, and the only thing to do with her is permanently break-off the tiring insult wars and phony dialogue with her. Everyone should beware of getting too involved in her ridiculous carrying-on.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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(02-08-2019, 01:58 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(02-08-2019, 12:41 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 04:01 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 01:43 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 12:38 PM)David Horn Wrote: Really?  Eric was obviously being facetious, but that seems to be an unacceptable style these days.  Give it a rest!

Quite so. And poor Tara doesn't even realize that our communications are long over with entirely. Both of these guys are on my short ignore list. This exchange is quite amusing, though. I didn't know that even Galen would provide me the honor of being the one who can illustrate what motivates the entire Left.

I know I am. Does not stop me pointing things out however. I would have thought a man your age would learn to be more respectful though. I thought you were "awakened." Clearly it does not mean one has to have manners and a kind heart.
Yes, Eric is a thin skinned individual who takes shit personally. You are supposed to be a loyal blue like the loyal blues he's more accustomed to being around. As a blue, you're not supposed to have an independent side or an independent nature or show signs of having a mind of your own either. In America, the blues function more like a cult. I assume the bulk of your information about the American Right/the Republican voters comes from them and their global media sources.

I don't recall taking Classic Xer's posts personally. I know he hurls insults at me, and even threats, and they go off my back, and I encourage him to post his views, and I counter them as best I can to the extent that I want to.

Terror Marie is a different sort of creature. She is unrelenting in her mean insults, guilt trips and unwanted, hypocritical advice, and the only thing to do with her is permanently break-off the tiring insult wars and phony dialogue with her. Everyone should beware of getting too involved in her ridiculous carrying-on.

Actually i point out when you do this. Just you dont like it and eventually blocked me. Does not stop me though. You are right. I am unrelenting. One fact of life i have learned watching actually the majority of you ....including yourself is that adulthood does not mean one has grown up. It is merely a number and it does not teach one to be respectful of others. Which is what i have been saying to you from day one and also others i may add. Just you dont want to hear it to the point you block me. That doesnt stop anything though particularly if someone else comments to me and you then see it.
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