Well, I'm back

[Bob Butler 54]

Well, I was looking at some genealogy stuff, and found out why I will accept Zero BS.  They worked on it early.

[Mikebert]

(03-25-2018, 05:57 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I would say no.  The marchers in Washington were not there primarily to wish Mike a happy birthday.

That is only a secondary consideration.  

Thanks

[pbrower2a]

(02-06-2019, 10:40 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(01-09-2018, 07:59 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-07-2018, 01:22 AM)Galen Wrote:

(01-06-2018, 10:08 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: As or haves and have nots they have existed in every society.  Liberty necessitates inequality BECAUSE equality is the polar opposite of liberty.  As the 20th century has proved, any move toward "equality" at the expense of liberty leads to an equality of the lowest common denominator.  Socialism makes everyone equally poor, equally hungry, equally naked and equally ignorant.

Socialists and modern liberals tend to be envy driven lifeforms who would prefer that everyone is equally miserable.  That is paradise to someone like Eric (insult redacted).

Oh no, no, not at all. I just want YOU to be miserable! That would be paradise to me.

Even if you disagree with someone, no need for that at all. Even though i disagree with a few of you guys on certain topics, including you I would never wish any of you harm nor misery. Not cool Eric. I thought you were an awakened individual?

Some people will be miserable in the world that technological marvels create and with the economic realities that those marvels mandate. We can get incredible productivity with little labor, as with some of the computer-directed production that we will have. 

Do we deny such productivity or do we adjust, perhaps by taxing the non-human productivity heavily to ensure that everyone can have a satisfying life?

https://www.wired.com/story/worlds-faste...ai-record/

There won't be enough work to spread around as farm labor.  Maybe we practically all do some nominal work just so that we feel honest about what we are doing.

Even such an activity as teaching will change as computers replace the process of teaching in K-12 education.

If all the gain goes to asset owners, then we will be miserable. An economic order that serves only the gain, indulgence, and power of economic elites is the sort in which people want to overthrow and dispossess those elites.

[Marypoza]

Glad your ok Bob. Hope you stay healthy

[Galen]

(02-06-2019, 10:40 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(01-09-2018, 07:59 PM)Eric the Obtuse Wrote:

(01-07-2018, 01:22 AM)Galen Wrote:

(01-06-2018, 10:08 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: As or haves and have nots they have existed in every society.  Liberty necessitates inequality BECAUSE equality is the polar opposite of liberty.  As the 20th century has proved, any move toward "equality" at the expense of liberty leads to an equality of the lowest common denominator.  Socialism makes everyone equally poor, equally hungry, equally naked and equally ignorant.

Socialists and modern liberals tend to be envy driven lifeforms who would prefer that everyone is equally miserable.  That is paradise to someone like Eric the Obtuse.

Oh no, no, not at all. I just want YOU to be miserable! That would be paradise to me.

Even if you disagree with someone, no need for that at all. Even though i disagree with a few of you guys on certain topics, including you I would never wish any of you harm nor misery. Not cool Eric. I thought you were an awakened individual?

If this doesn't illustrate what really motivates the left then I don't know what will.

[Galen]

(02-07-2019, 04:32 AM)taramarie Wrote:

(02-07-2019, 04:11 AM)Galen Wrote: If this doesn't illustrate what really motivates the left then I don't know what will.

I am not about generalizations either. Kind of like many other generalizations. It ignores for the sake of individual bias and inner comfort in what that person feels more comfortable as calling truth.

If you are willing to use force to take from one to give to another, which is what the left is willing to do, then it is very hard to see them as benevolent.  In a very real sense Eric the Obtuse sees me and others like me as standing in the way of heaven on earth and so would have no problem pointing a gun a me and pulling the trigger to get what he wants.  Do you really think he is all that unusual among the left?

Robert Heilbroner is unusual among socialists in that he was willing to tell the truth about socialism.  I strongly recommend that you consider his words.

After reading that do you really think that the attitude of Eric the Obtuse is really all that unusual among the left?

[David Horn]

(02-07-2019, 04:11 AM)Galen Wrote:

(02-06-2019, 10:40 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(01-09-2018, 07:59 PM)Eric the Obtuse Wrote:

(01-07-2018, 01:22 AM)Galen Wrote:

(01-06-2018, 10:08 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: As or haves and have nots they have existed in every society.  Liberty necessitates inequality BECAUSE equality is the polar opposite of liberty.  As the 20th century has proved, any move toward "equality" at the expense of liberty leads to an equality of the lowest common denominator.  Socialism makes everyone equally poor, equally hungry, equally naked and equally ignorant.

Socialists and modern liberals tend to be envy driven lifeforms who would prefer that everyone is equally miserable.  That is paradise to someone like Eric the Obtuse.

Oh no, no, not at all. I just want YOU to be miserable! That would be paradise to me.

Even if you disagree with someone, no need for that at all. Even though i disagree with a few of you guys on certain topics, including you I would never wish any of you harm nor misery. Not cool Eric. I thought you were an awakened individual?

If this doesn't illustrate what really motivates the left then I don't know what will.

Really?  Eric was obviously being facetious, but that seems to be an unacceptable style these days.  Give it a rest!

[Eric the Green]

(02-07-2019, 12:38 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-07-2019, 04:11 AM)Galen Wrote:

(02-06-2019, 10:40 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(01-09-2018, 07:59 PM)Eric the Obtuse Wrote:

(01-07-2018, 01:22 AM)Galen Wrote: Socialists and modern liberals tend to be envy driven lifeforms who would prefer that everyone is equally miserable.  That is paradise to someone like Eric the Obtuse.

Oh no, no, not at all. I just want YOU to be miserable! That would be paradise to me.

Even if you disagree with someone, no need for that at all. Even though i disagree with a few of you guys on certain topics, including you I would never wish any of you harm nor misery. Not cool Eric. I thought you were an awakened individual?

If this doesn't illustrate what really motivates the left then I don't know what will.

Really?  Eric was obviously being facetious, but that seems to be an unacceptable style these days.  Give it a rest!

Quite so. And poor Tara doesn't even realize that our communications are long over with entirely. Both of these guys are on my short ignore list. This exchange is quite amusing, though. I didn't know that even Galen would provide me the honor of being the one who can illustrate what motivates the entire Left.

[Eric the Green]

(03-28-2018, 12:14 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Well, I was looking at some genealogy stuff, and found out why I will accept Zero BS.  They worked on it early.

Wow, born without a religion! Or a formula. That explains a lot

[Ragnarök_62]

(02-07-2019, 01:50 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-28-2018, 12:14 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Well, I was looking at some genealogy stuff, and found out why I will accept Zero BS.  They worked on it early.

Wow, born without a religion! Or a formula. That explains a lot

Yup, and green star formula which is strange. Moi? I was breast fed, so mine has a pic of tits.

[Classic-Xer]

(02-07-2019, 04:53 AM)Galen Wrote:

(02-07-2019, 04:32 AM)taramarie Wrote:

(02-07-2019, 04:11 AM)Galen Wrote: If this doesn't illustrate what really motivates the left then I don't know what will.

I am not about generalizations either. Kind of like many other generalizations. It ignores for the sake of individual bias and inner comfort in what that person feels more comfortable as calling truth.

If you are willing to use force to take from one to give to another, which is what the left is willing to do, then it is very hard to see them as benevolent.  In a very real sense Eric the Obtuse sees me and others like me as standing in the way of heaven on earth and so would have no problem pointing a gun a me and pulling the trigger to get what he wants.  Do you really think he is all that unusual among the left?

Robert Heilbroner is unusual among socialists in that he was willing to tell the truth about socialism.  I strongly recommend that you consider his words.

After reading that do you really think that the attitude of Eric the Obtuse is really all that unusual among the left?

Fortunately, the Left has a formidable adversary who would also use force to take back whatever the Left seizes or lays claim to under the guise of having been given/granted or democratically obtaining the legal right to do so by its Leftist government.  I don't think he'd have anymore of an issue with executing you than I'd have with executing him for doing so or attempting to do so. Eric has a choice to make now that he has been educated/ informed by a member of the REAL American right.

[Classic-Xer]

(02-07-2019, 04:01 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(02-07-2019, 01:43 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-07-2019, 12:38 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-07-2019, 04:11 AM)Galen Wrote:

(02-06-2019, 10:40 PM)taramarie Wrote: Even if you disagree with someone, no need for that at all. Even though i disagree with a few of you guys on certain topics, including you I would never wish any of you harm nor misery. Not cool Eric. I thought you were an awakened individual?

If this doesn't illustrate what really motivates the left then I don't know what will.

Really?  Eric was obviously being facetious, but that seems to be an unacceptable style these days.  Give it a rest!

Quite so. And poor Tara doesn't even realize that our communications are long over with entirely. Both of these guys are on my short ignore list. This exchange is quite amusing, though. I didn't know that even Galen would provide me the honor of being the one who can illustrate what motivates the entire Left.

I know I am. Does not stop me pointing things out however. I would have thought a man your age would learn to be more respectful though. I thought you were "awakened." Clearly it does not mean one has to have manners and a kind heart.

Yes, Eric is a thin skinned individual who takes shit personally. You are supposed to be a loyal blue like the loyal blues he's more accustomed to being around. As a blue, you're not supposed to have an independent side or an independent nature or show signs of having a mind of your own either. In America, the blues function more like a cult. I assume the bulk of your information about the American Right/the Republican voters comes from them and their global media sources.

[Eric the Green]

(02-08-2019, 12:41 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-07-2019, 04:01 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(02-07-2019, 01:43 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-07-2019, 12:38 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-07-2019, 04:11 AM)Galen Wrote: If this doesn't illustrate what really motivates the left then I don't know what will.

Really?  Eric was obviously being facetious, but that seems to be an unacceptable style these days.  Give it a rest!

Quite so. And poor Tara doesn't even realize that our communications are long over with entirely. Both of these guys are on my short ignore list. This exchange is quite amusing, though. I didn't know that even Galen would provide me the honor of being the one who can illustrate what motivates the entire Left.

I know I am. Does not stop me pointing things out however. I would have thought a man your age would learn to be more respectful though. I thought you were "awakened." Clearly it does not mean one has to have manners and a kind heart.

Yes, Eric is a thin skinned individual who takes shit personally. You are supposed to be a loyal blue like the loyal blues he's more accustomed to being around. As a blue, you're not supposed to have an independent side or an independent nature or show signs of having a mind of your own either. In America, the blues function more like a cult. I assume the bulk of your information about the American Right/the Republican voters comes from them and their global media sources.

I don't recall taking Classic Xer's posts personally. I know he hurls insults at me, and even threats, and they go off my back, and I encourage him to post his views, and I counter them as best I can to the extent that I want to.

Terror Marie is a different sort of creature. She is unrelenting in her mean insults, guilt trips and unwanted, hypocritical advice, and the only thing to do with her is permanently break-off the tiring insult wars and phony dialogue with her. Everyone should beware of getting too involved in her ridiculous carrying-on.

[Classic-Xer]

(02-08-2019, 01:58 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I don't recall taking Classic Xer's posts personally. I know he hurls insults at me, and even threats, and they go off my back, and I encourage him to post his views, and I counter them as best I can to the extent that I want to.

Terror Marie is a different sort of creature. She is unrelenting in her mean insults, guilt trips and unwanted, hypocritical advice, and the only thing to do with her is permanently break-off the tiring insult wars and phony dialogue with her. Everyone should beware of getting too involved in her ridiculous carrying.

If you don't take my posts personally then why don't you treat me (ignore me) like you treat ( completely ignore) them.

[David Horn]

(02-08-2019, 12:18 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Fortunately, the Left has a formidable adversary who would also use force to take back whatever the Left seizes or lays claim to under the guise of having been given/granted or democratically obtaining the legal right to do so by its Leftist government.  I don't think he'd have anymore of an issue with executing you than I'd have with executing him for doing so or attempting to do so. Eric has a choice to make now that he has been educated/ informed by a member of the REAL American right.

Are you now taking psychotropics?  You just threatened one of the posters here.  No one here, except you, thinks gratuitous force is needed to advance their agenda.  And further more, no one is coming for your stuff.  No one will be taxing your wealth -- anymore than they have for centuries.  You do know that property taxes, that every homeowner pays, are actually wealth taxes?  Right?

Just some advice, switch to something less toxic to your brain.

[Classic-Xer]

(02-09-2019, 04:15 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(02-09-2019, 09:44 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-08-2019, 12:18 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Fortunately, the Left has a formidable adversary who would also use force to take back whatever the Left seizes or lays claim to under the guise of having been given/granted or democratically obtaining the legal right to do so by its Leftist government.  I don't think he'd have anymore of an issue with executing you than I'd have with executing him for doing so or attempting to do so. Eric has a choice to make now that he has been educated/ informed by a member of the REAL American right.

Are you now taking psychotropics?  You just threatened one of the posters here.  No one here, except you, thinks gratuitous force is needed to advance their agenda.  And further more, no one is coming for your stuff.  No one will be taxing your wealth -- anymore than they have for centuries.  You do know that property taxes, that every homeowner pays, are actually wealth taxes?  Right?

Just some advice, switch to something less toxic to your brain.

Exactly. At times, he sounds psychotic when talking of force to kill. I think he needs to see a therapist for this as this is toxic and definitely psychopathic.

Psychotic? Come on now. A psychotic doesn't need a valid reason to kill you. You're college educated and should know that. My American ancestors didn't free themselves from the British empire by being nice to the British. My American ancestors didn't free the slaves by being nice to the Confederates and my American ancestors didn't keep us free and keep you free as a result by being nice to the Japanese Empire or Nazi Germany. If a guy or a group of guys are attacking you, would you prefer that I be nice and not bother them or would you prefer I use a firearm to stop them which is perfectly within my right to do as an American citizen within most of the United States of America these days. Now, if I did help you and killed one of them, would you call me a psychotic like you did or would you be thankful that I intervened and followed my instincts. Right now, there a group of clueless women who are making the decision whether red males are going to place their lives on the line to protect them or not. Right now, you are in that clueless group of women. Whether you stay in that clueless group of blue women or whether you advance to a group of no so clueless blue women depends upon your ability to wise up. Right now, America is going through a natural sorting out process. A free country like ours is able to do that because we aren't stuck out in the middle of no where on a remote on a group of islands. If living in California sucks, you leave. If California decides to spend a fortune on free healthcare for anyone, that's fine because the rest of the country doesn't live there or have to pay for it. If the state you live in doesn't provide free healthcare to anyone or protection for illegal aliens, you move to California.

At times, blues with big heads have to brought back down to earth. At times, a gal from New Zealand ( a small island nation associated with an old empire that no longer exists and no longer has the means to fully protect or control like that it did a hundred fifty years ago) has to be reminded about a thing or two that directly relates to her. You live in New Zealand ( a patch of global real estate claimed by the British a long time ago). I'm sinking an idea into the dense minds of some blues who have crazy ideas and crazy notions in their heads of what its going to take accomplish their personal goals or dreams. You see, sticking to crazy ideas and crazy notions doesn't resolve issues that directly to them, their well being or the well being of those they claim to care about, claim to protect and politically represent these days.

[Classic-Xer]

(02-09-2019, 09:44 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-08-2019, 12:18 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Fortunately, the Left has a formidable adversary who would also use force to take back whatever the Left seizes or lays claim to under the guise of having been given/granted or democratically obtaining the legal right to do so by its Leftist government.  I don't think he'd have anymore of an issue with executing you than I'd have with executing him for doing so or attempting to do so. Eric has a choice to make now that he has been educated/ informed by a member of the REAL American right.

Are you now taking psychotropics?  You just threatened one of the posters here.  No one here, except you, thinks gratuitous force is needed to advance their agenda.  And further more, no one is coming for your stuff.  No one will be taxing your wealth -- anymore than they have for centuries.  You do know that property taxes, that every homeowner pays, are actually wealth taxes?  Right?

Just some advice, switch to something less toxic to your brain.

Did I threaten him or did I further establish a very clear understanding with a radical blue and a fellow poster whose view of blues are the same as mine? The difference between me and Eric, I don't expect some poor kid from some poor blue area or slum or some paid government official to do the dirty work for me. If you want me to switch then I suggest that you change your views. Now, I'm not a baby or one who is easily offended or upset.

[Classic-Xer]

(02-09-2019, 11:24 PM)taramarie Wrote: As I know classics response will be just more justification, hardening down on his previous threatening comment, and not worthy of my effort here is a cute dog for everyone, doing pretty much what he is doing now. But yes, with his comments it shows he is very much unhinged and potentially unstable. Threats like that deserve to be pointed out as not necessary. Till there is a real threat of course. Till a real physical threat is taking action there is no need for shooting anyone. End of my discussion on that. Unless he shows he remotely sees any point i made as reasonable, there is no need for me to further discuss it as i view this sort of thing like talking to a brick wall and not worth it.

Here is the cute doggy doing what he just did. Dig dig dig that hole deeper doggy!

I'm not dumb enough or crazy enough to dig a hole that I can't climb out of by myself or crazy enough jump off a cliff without a parachute that's known to work either. Does the dog eventually find whatever it is that the dog's nose was sensing and guiding it to continue digging for or did the owner run out of time or patience or stop the dog because the owner felt sorry for their dog working so hard to uncover a worthless item that means nothing to them? Do you know or are you pretty much clueless as far as the result of its efforts?

One other thing, before you continue trying to turn a mole hill into a mountain, I'd suggest you read what was said to another poster and find conclusive evidence before you continue accusing me of directly threatening to kill Eric right now for no particular reason other than what you claim to be the only reason. Ok, you're a nitpick. Well, blue nitpicks aren't new to me. Blue nitpicks may be new to Eric but not me. Also, I should add nitpicks affiliated with me aren't new to me either. I've stepped aside as asked and watched as they were mistreated and turned into liberal haters too. You're not going to change them or me at this point. So, I'd suggest that you stay out and leave us to go about our business so to speak. If I didn't like you, I wouldn't be telling you this.

[Classic-Xer]

(02-09-2019, 10:40 PM)taramarie Wrote: Do you really think that threatening them is the best approach to do that? To get them to listen? You guys already live in your own echo chambers here on this forum and are essentially talking to brick walls with so much negativity present here, do you really think they will listen when you threaten them? You know i immediately thought of NK's leader when I heard you state their adversary will not hesitate to take force and also your political party to take force. There is no need for that unless they are threatening you to the most extreme level. Violence should be the last resort and violent threats of the kind you unleashed onto some here are unjustifiable by any means. I would tell this to blues or reds and you know i have on many occassion with Eric. If they were preparing to go to war with you, certainly....defend. Otherwise it is not needed. Discussion till it gets to the point action is needed. Right now it is not necessary and certainly uncalled for to be threatening people with violence here on this forum. Even Eric "the obtuse" does not deserve that. He needs to be brought down to earth on some topics i do agree. But perhaps my list would be different to yours. As we know he never listens, and i doubt anyone actually listens to anyone here except their own side. As i said...echo chambers.

Who am I listening too? Am I here listening to those on my side only or am I here listening to them and responding to what I'm hearing from them and those on their side? Hint. I'm not here playing political patty cake with a group of reds. I'm here listening to blues and directly responding to what blues say, what blues post, what blues think/believe is best for America and so forth. I know that defies what you claim to see/ believe but that's what's been going on and there's more than enough proof for you to see/read for yourself. As far as threatening people with violence, you should know the difference between threatening people with violence and an assessment that involves the acceptance of the fact that violence will occur as a result of certain actions that are ever taken by the left within AMERICA. The American left isn't dumb enough to screw itself but the new left seems like it could be dumb enough to do it these days. Like I said, I'm not here to change them or convert them or threaten to kill them either. I don't care about them enough to waste the effort. Hell, if I could type and write simultaneously, my effort with responding to and rejecting the bulk their nonsense would be minimal.

[pbrower2a]

(02-10-2019, 02:17 AM)taramarie Wrote: Oh and fun fact, I am going to Slovakia in a couple of months time and by the sounds of it i will be a right winger over there as their left wing apparently was not too long ago a party of communists. So yuck...don't want that. Life sure is interesting, isn't it!

"Left" and "Right" are relative in some countries. Where the recent Right legacy is fascist (let us say Chile) I would be on the Left. Where the recent Left legacy is Communist or at least Marxist (let us say Venezuela) I would be on the  Right. I would be in political limbo in Brazil, would I not? Brazil has a President who seems to admire Trump.