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06-21-2021, 02:33 PM
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(06-21-2021, 05:26 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: (06-20-2021, 05:04 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: It's like this. If people are not grounded in the knowledge of chakras, then they only function from their brains. They are likely dominated by their lower brains too. The Awakening revealed that modernism has no heart; only a brain. Our modern culture literally has no heart, and we are living and walking around in our modern structures and computerized lifestyles with no heart. Thus we are often unkind and lack compassion, and don't know how to relate to others. Educated as a modern, I count myself among these.
Modernism (whether Randian or Bolshevik) has no heart. But New Age has no sceptical brain. It accepts ideas as true because they sound cool, or are different from the beliefs of GI "fascists", or make one feel good. Some people also discarded modernist scepticism in order to subscribe to Evangelicalism or neo-Nazism.
I try to live according to Stapledon's advice, have the head of a modernist sceptic but the heart of a Christian saint.
I gather that, and I think that's great. The trouble is that your view of things is too narrow, especially when it comes to the discoveries of the Awakening. Like many younger folks today, you cut yourself off from it because you don't like some aspects of it. But it's there, and it's vital and necessary for human growth and liberation and respect for Nature. Rather than Boomers rejecting beliefs of the GI "fascists", it is now Millennials who reject the ideas of "looney Boomers." Both were often wrong in their rejections. Generations need to learn from each other, not just reject what has been given to them.
I agree that New Agers are often lacking in skepticism. That's not a reason to toss it all out. The esoteric and mystical traditions are quite venerable and were not adopted by people because they were cool, but because they work and reveal deeper reality. The New Age Movement has brought them back and out and in many cases updated them and added to them.
It's fine to emulate a Christian saint, but your emulation is based on following ideas in your brain. That does not get us there. Having a heart really means that you know about, are conscious of, and can focus on your heart chakra. Most Americans are completely blinded by modernism to this vital knowledge and practice. Many young people have gone back to enthusiastically and fanatically rejecting this kind of knowledge as un-modern "woo-woo." It is not. In the days of Christian sainthood, believers were not so cut off from this knowledge as modernists are. It is embedded in western tradition.
Quote:Current capitalism does not want subservient industrial robots like Victorian capitalism did, but consumers who believe buying a newest iPhone actualizes their potential. Self psychology (Fromm, Maslow and Rogers) as well as New Age psychology are great tools for marketing. If these were useful for challenging capitalism, they would be popular in socialist countries, but the Reds were clever enough to understand this kind of psychology is capitalist woo.
I respect martial arts, but the issue is the ancient masters did not understand human anatomy and physiology the way modernist medicine does, so they made up stuff to explain why the techniques work. Like, instead of "flexing your abs" they would call it "directing chi into your abdominal region". This is no better or worse than Aristotle's humours theory. There is no excuse to believe in either in 2021. Of course strong abs are necessary to protect your vital organs.
I dissent; current capitalists have always wanted subservient robots, and it's not much different today. They want obedient workers who don't question the boss. They want people who accept corporate culture. And they want robotic consumers too. Self-realization psychology is very valuable and insightful, and in no way is it woo. The chi theory is true, and even Aristotle's humors still have some relevance. I disagree with rejecting modern medicine, yes, but I also disagree with rejecting Oriental, New Age and traditional approaches. Some scientific verification can show whether they work or not. Acupressure has been verified.
But your view is just rejection of the Awakening, and I disagree. The Awakening is my life, and I would have no life without it. Before 1966, the world was just a boring, lifeless machine, with no spirit and with nothing worth doing or working toward. I threw it over and I won't go back. The Awakening reveres everything valuable, and includes everything valuable. The Spiral Dynamics motto applies: transcend, and include.
NO, martial artists are not "flexing their abs." Martial arts is about consciousness, which you ignore. You don't flex your abs, you focus on your center of gravity, your solar plexus chakra. That's what gives them their power. Martial arts is not based on muscle. You missed the whole idea.
Quote:Quote:The Wizard of Oz is actually a story of how we can recover these three vital chakras. And if we don't, we are lost, and not at home. And there's no place like home.
I've thought it's a children's adventure story. Some people believe it's an economic allegory, calling for the use of silver-based currency.
NO. It is well-known that the author was acquainted with esoteric spiritual philosophy. It is an allegory of the soul and its functions, and is basically a hero's journey story, the archetype of almost all stories. The Wizard of Oz is perhaps the greatest American classic.
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Dear Captain, as long as you think consciousness stuff is woo-woo, you have locked yourself into the past. Science today is changing.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science...conscious/
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06-22-2021, 12:13 PM
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I still insist the use of "chi" in Chinese martial arts is in fact a combination of muscle flexion, coordination and sense of balance. Consciousness is also relevant, if you understand it as controlling your attention. But until someone proves me wrong, I won't believe kung-fu masters have magical powers. The human body as understood by rational anatomy and physiology is fascinating enough.
"Transcend and include" is a poor piece of advice if the issue in question is pure mistake. I hope you agree that flat Earth theory, geocentric model of the Solar System and young Earth creationism were completely debunked and there is nothing in them that should be included in our understanding of the Cosmos. In the same way chi and afterlife have no place in sound understanding of human existence.
The past I find most inspiring is the late 19th and early 20th centuries since I regard it as the period of greatest achievements in painting, poetry, architecture and philosophy.
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06-22-2021, 02:45 PM
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(06-22-2021, 12:13 PM)Captain Genet Wrote: I still insist the use of "chi" in Chinese martial arts is in fact a combination of muscle flexion, coordination and sense of balance. Consciousness is also relevant, if you understand it as controlling your attention. But until someone proves me wrong, I won't believe kung-fu masters have magical powers. The human body as understood by rational anatomy and physiology is fascinating enough.
"Transcend and include" is a poor piece of advice if the issue in question is pure mistake. I hope you agree that flat Earth theory, geocentric model of the Solar System and young Earth creationism were completely debunked and there is nothing in them that should be included in our understanding of the Cosmos. In the same way chi and afterlife have no place in sound understanding of human existence.
The past I find most inspiring is the late 19th and early 20th centuries since I regard it as the period of greatest achievements in painting, poetry, architecture and philosophy.
Consciousness is itself a magical power, and that's all the magical power we need to consider. Consciousness is chi, and includes lower-levels on the scale of consciousness that we call life force. Casting out life force and consciousness in all its aspects was the biggest mistake of modernism, but in our post-modern and new age times, it is coming back, including back into science. It cannot be explained by modernism, physicalism or positivism.
I agree that consciousness coming back into science does not mean embracing disproven models of our cosmos like a geocentric model and young Earth creationism. Flat Earth Theory, lol! Data, reason, observation and using the tools of science are important. But that most-assuredly does not mean that chi and the afterlife have no sound place in our understanding of human existence; that does not follow at all. Without chi and the afterlife, we have no understanding at all of human existence. All the esoteric sciences, and all schools of mysticism, despised by modernism as they are, must be brought back and further developed.
We must learn to experience and use our chakras, also known as our soul centers, or even just the way we experience on our insides those nerve ganglia and endocrine glands in the areas of the body where they are. And they are the root and source of all virtue, which we need to cultivate. Just knowing some tenets of ethics is not enough. We need a holistic approach to life, and utilize our whole bodies and souls, not just our left brains--- based on the wrong idea that that is who we are and where our mind and consciousness is. That is a false and dangerous notion. You can't find out about yourself and your body in an anatomy textbook. You must explore your consciousness too.
I agree about the late 19th and early 20th century, but particularly about the Awakening years at the turn of the century and the first 3T years of that period. But in that era, the mystical and esoteric aspects of life were also being revived. The leading philosophers of the time were Henri Bergson and Frederich Nietzsche, and mystics like Gurdieff. Freud's opening up to the subconscious prepared the way for Jung, and Planck and Einstein prepared the way for quantum theory which opens up science back to the mystical and the esoteric. Being blinded by modernism is passe, NOT up-to-date! And opening to the esoteric does not mean embracing all the errors of the past. Transcend, but include. Go beyond the worst and the limiting aspects of the past, but include the best aspects. The New Age includes modernism within it too. Inclusivism rules!
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Once again, since you mention that late 19th and early 20th century Captain, I share this music which captures the full mood of that optimistic and bold time. And in fact the whole "modern" journey. Music from 1899.
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Captain Genet, and everyone else on this board, most of whom are honest seekers of truth and justice, need to take account of the fact that the simple explanation of mechanical cause and effect cannot explain all things. I'm sorry that this simple and easy, limited explanation does not work. But life is not so simple.
This does not mean that every or any "supernatural" claim anyone makes is correct. Far from it. And science can be used to validate or debunk any claim that is made.
But science no longer supports the simple mechanical cause and effect theory either. Uncertainty and entanglement are built-in to reality. Learning and discovering the mechanical cause and effect principle enabled humans, especially in The West, to build machines. We are blest to a degree by these machines we have made. But we are too enamoured of our own creations, and too blind to their side effects. And our ability to build machines does not mean that the world is a machine. Instead, the universe is more like a great organism, or a great thought.
Nature includes the supernatural, meaning those events that cannot be explained mechanically. They may arise spontaneously--- by life, consciousness, thought, love, grace, and will. And evolution is the expansion and development of consciousness within life. Consciousness is the essence of being, and its source, and it is always now, not caused by the past. As Alan Watts says, the wake does not drive the ship. That is REALLY making the tail wag the dog!
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(06-23-2021, 01:40 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Captain Genet, and everyone else on this board, most of whom are honest seekers of truth and justice, need to take account of the fact that the simple explanation of mechanical cause and effect cannot explain all things. I'm sorry that this simple and easy, limited explanation does not work. But life is not so simple.
This does not mean that every or any "supernatural" claim anyone makes is correct. Far from it. And science can be used to validate or debunk any claim that is made.
This is being made all the time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pr...paranormal
Why is it taking so long to claim one of these prizes? If psychics don't care about getting rich, they could give the money to a charity.
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06-24-2021, 01:23 PM
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(06-24-2021, 07:38 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: (06-23-2021, 01:40 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Captain Genet, and everyone else on this board, most of whom are honest seekers of truth and justice, need to take account of the fact that the simple explanation of mechanical cause and effect cannot explain all things. I'm sorry that this simple and easy, limited explanation does not work. But life is not so simple.
This does not mean that every or any "supernatural" claim anyone makes is correct. Far from it. And science can be used to validate or debunk any claim that is made.
This is being made all the time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pr...paranormal
Why is it taking so long to claim one of these prizes? If psychics don't care about getting rich, they could give the money to a charity.
Wkikpedia does not allow any evidence of psychic ability on its platform. I know, I tried to put it there and they took it down. Denial of psychic ability is just an ideology. The Amazing Randi is a fraud.
It's just a question of the Millennial Generation losing touch with the Awakening. It is suppressed and "cancelled."
In our generation, we had experiments and procedures that demonstrated that we all have psychic ability. It is just that Americans are stuck on the wheel.
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