Joe Biden: polls of approval and favorability

[Eric the Green]

(10-19-2021, 01:26 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(10-13-2021, 04:18 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Editing is not allowed on this forum. That should change. 

I can edit now and always have had that ability.  I don't know what issue you're having, but I dont think it's typical.

NO we have never had that ability on this forum. No-one has.

[David Horn]

(10-22-2021, 01:41 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(10-19-2021, 01:26 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(10-13-2021, 04:18 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Editing is not allowed on this forum. That should change. 

I can edit now and always have had that ability.  I don't know what issue you're having, but I dont think it's typical.

No we have never had that ability on this forum. No-one has.

You can edit your posts until they are quoted.  Once they are quoted in a response, editing permissions stop.  I doubt your permissions are different than mine were when I was just a poster here.  Now, I can even edit other's posts (but I won't -- it's not ethical).

[Eric the Green]

(10-22-2021, 08:30 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(10-22-2021, 01:41 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(10-19-2021, 01:26 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(10-13-2021, 04:18 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Editing is not allowed on this forum. That should change. 

I can edit now and always have had that ability.  I don't know what issue you're having, but I dont think it's typical.

No we have never had that ability on this forum. No-one has.

You can edit your posts until they are quoted.  Once they are quoted in a response, editing permissions stop.  I doubt your permissions are different than mine were when I was just a poster here.  Now, I can even edit other's posts (but I won't -- it's not ethical).

Doesn't editing ability stop 1 day after posting? I thought that was the rule.

That's what I call "not allowing editing," if so.

[Eric the Green]

RCP Average 
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls...-7320.html
11/11 - 12/1
RCP Average 11/11 - 12/1 -- 42.2 52.1 -9.9
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Rasmussen Reports 11/29 - 12/1 1500 LV 43 56 -13
Economist/YouGov 11/27 - 11/30 1272 RV 44 50 -6
Trafalgar Group ® 11/26 - 11/29 1082 LV 36 59 -23
NPR/PBS/Marist 11/16 - 11/19 969 RV 43 50 -7
Reuters/Ipsos 11/17 - 11/18 1003 A 44 49 -5
The Hill/HarrisX 11/16 - 11/18 2787 RV 44 45 -1
FOX News 11/14 - 11/17 1003 RV 44 54 -10
Politico/Morning Consult11/13 - 11/15 1998 RV 44 53 -9
Quinnipiac 11/11 - 11/15 1262 RV 38 53 -15

without the illegitimate Rasmussen and Trafalgar polls, Biden's average here is 43 approve, 50.57 disapprove.

[pbrower2a]

The latest Zogby Poll® indicates that President Biden has made gains in both his job approval and job performance ratings. Both metrics are important categories when measuring a president's execution of his or her agenda, but they have different meanings. Job approval is based on answers to the question "Overall, do you approve or disapprove of Joe Biden's job as President?" where the respondent can choose among 'strongly approve', 'somewhat approve', 'somewhat disapprove' and 'strongly disapprove'. In contrast, job performance is based on the question "Overall, how would you rate President Biden's job performance?" with the options of rating it as excellent, good, fair, or poor.

While clearly similar, these two questions should be viewed as distinct. Job approval is more likely to be driven by a politician's overall popularity. Thus, one's approval can be fairly high driven by hyper-partisanship or popularity among a few groups, but their job performance numbers will be lower in terms of how voters judge their performance in office. We've seen this in the past with the likes of other presidents such as George W. Bush, Barack Obama, and Donald Trump. At different times during their presidencies, each of the them enjoyed very high or decent approval numbers only to have their job performance or other metrics such as right direction/wrong direction be much lower.

We are seeing a similar patter with Joe Biden. Our new poll of 1,311 likely voters conducted December 21-22, 2021, shows Biden's approval rating creeping up to 50% (strongly approve-26% and somewhat approve-24% combined) while 48% of likely voters disapproved of him (strongly disapprove 36% and somewhat disapprove-13% combined), and 2% were not sure.
What's driving President Biden's recent surge? It's his base: voters under the age of 50 (59% approved/39% disapproved), college educated voters (58% approved/40% disapproved), urban voters (70% approved/29% disapproved), large city voters (76% approved/22% disapproved), Democrats (89% approved/11% disapproved), liberals (84% approved/15% disapproved), Catholics (55% approved/44% disapproved), African Americans (74% approved/23% disapproved), Hispanics (58% approved/41% disapproved) and voters whose annual household income is more than $100K (59% approved/39% disapproved).
The groups who most disapproved of President Biden were no big surprise, either: voters over the age of 50 (41% approved/58% disapproved), lower to middle income voters-annual household income $25K-75K (45% approved/54% disapproved), Whites (44% approved/55% disapproved), Protestants (42% approved/58% disapproved), Republicans (20% approved/79% disapproved), conservatives (25% approved/74% disapproved), suburban voters (41% approved/56% disapproved) and rural voters (33% approved/66% disapproved). Surprisingly, he did equally well with both men (50% approve/48% disapprove) and women (50% approved/49% disapproved).

The schism between those who approve and disapprove of Biden's job as president is also evident among the unique demographics we tested. These categories focused on voters' views concerning the pandemic: vaccinated voters (55% approved/43% disapproved) vs. nonvaccinated voters (34% approved/64% disapproved), voters who always wear a mask (66% approved/32% disapproved) vs. those who do not wear a mask (15% approved/84% disapproved) and voters who see Covid-19 as the most terrifying thing that has happened in their lifetime (75% approved/23% disapproved) vs. voters who see it as a flu or a common cold (16% approved/83% disapproved). Therefore, Biden's biggest support is among those who are vaccinated, wear a mask all/most of the time, and fear Covid-19, while his approval is anemic among those who are not vaccinated, do not wear a mask, and do not fear Covid-19.

Where Biden is taking it on the chin is with swing voters-the voters who propelled him to victory in the 2020 presidential election. He is not performing well with Independents (35% approved/60% disapproved), suburban voters (41% approved/56% disapproved), suburban women (45% approved/52% disapproved) and small city voters (39% approved/61% disapproved).

Zogby may not be your ideal pollster


but... a 4% gain in approval and a 4^ decline in disapproval are highly significant.

Take a look at the difference between vaccinated and non-vaccinated voters.

I thought HIV/AIDS was scary; COVID-19 is far scarier. 

[Eric the Green]

Biden is behind, but he may have made a small recovery. Zogby favors Biden and Democrats, while Trafalgar and Rasmussen favor Republicans and are almost certainly dishonest. But Biden is still behind by 17-19 points in those Republican polls. Probably his actual average is somewhere like minus 6-8 points. Independents and suburban voters are disapproving right now. Time will tell whether they are still hung up on Reaganomics and don't support the "transformational" legislation that we need, or are just concerned about inflation and the pandemic, which Biden only has marginal control over, but they blame him anyway just because he's the president and they are frustrated.

[Classic-Xer]

(01-04-2022, 04:13 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Biden is behind, but he may have made a small recovery. Zogby favors Biden and Democrats, while Trafalgar and Rasmussen favor Republicans and are almost certainly dishonest. But Biden is still behind by 17-19 points in those Republican polls. Probably his actual average is somewhere like minus 6-8 points. Independents and suburban voters are disapproving right now. Time will tell whether they are still hung up on Reaganomics and don't support the "transformational" legislation that we need, or are just concerned about inflation and the pandemic, which Biden only has marginal control over, but they blame him anyway just because he's the president and they are frustrated.

He is the one in charge now. It's going to be hard to blame Trump for all his screw ups. I thought Biden getting a handle on COVID was a given coming in. But, to my surprise, Biden managed to screw that up too. Well, you elected him and his ilk and you're going find yourself paying a significant price for your big mistake. America is going to discard you and leave you for the wolves/criminals to prey on/devour so to speak.

[Classic-Xer]

(10-22-2021, 09:18 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(10-22-2021, 08:30 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(10-22-2021, 01:41 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(10-19-2021, 01:26 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(10-13-2021, 04:18 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Editing is not allowed on this forum. That should change. 

I can edit now and always have had that ability.  I don't know what issue you're having, but I dont think it's typical.

No we have never had that ability on this forum. No-one has.

You can edit your posts until they are quoted.  Once they are quoted in a response, editing permissions stop.  I doubt your permissions are different than mine were when I was just a poster here.  Now, I can even edit other's posts (but I won't -- it's not ethical).

Doesn't editing ability stop 1 day after posting? I thought that was the rule.

That's what I call "not allowing editing," if so.

I can edit previous posts of mine anytime afterwards.

[Eric the Green]

(01-05-2022, 01:56 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-04-2022, 04:13 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Biden is behind, but he may have made a small recovery. Zogby favors Biden and Democrats, while Trafalgar and Rasmussen favor Republicans and are almost certainly dishonest. But Biden is still behind by 17-19 points in those Republican polls. Probably his actual average is somewhere like minus 6-8 points. Independents and suburban voters are disapproving right now. Time will tell whether they are still hung up on Reaganomics and don't support the "transformational" legislation that we need, or are just concerned about inflation and the pandemic, which Biden only has marginal control over, but they blame him anyway just because he's the president and they are frustrated.

He is the one in charge now. It's going to be hard to blame Trump for all his screw ups. I thought Biden getting a handle on COVID was a given coming in. But, to my surprise, Biden managed to screw that up too. Well, you elected him and his ilk and you're going find yourself paying a significant price for your big mistake. America is going to discard you and leave you for the wolves/criminals to prey on/devour so to speak.

Unfortunately Biden was the only candidate willing to run who could have defeated Trump. So we are stuck with him. He doesn't seem to anticipate troubles very well. He does his best once he is onto the problem, but his actions are sometimes too slow; maybe too little and too late. His legislative program is good; far enough to the left to make you guys mad, so that is a good indication of how good it is.

I have written to him and told him to force Pfizer and Moderna to make the covid vaccines available to the world. He has not done this. Therefore variants have appeared and kept the pandemic going, with bad results for the economy and our dependence on China and the trade backups. If your guy Trump had been re-elected, all these things and more would have been much worse, and there would be no turning back from the USA becoming an authoritarian state like Turkey or worse, and no turning back from hothouse Earth and the end of civilization. But that's what you guys want.

[Classic-Xer]

(01-05-2022, 02:51 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-05-2022, 01:56 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-04-2022, 04:13 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Biden is behind, but he may have made a small recovery. Zogby favors Biden and Democrats, while Trafalgar and Rasmussen favor Republicans and are almost certainly dishonest. But Biden is still behind by 17-19 points in those Republican polls. Probably his actual average is somewhere like minus 6-8 points. Independents and suburban voters are disapproving right now. Time will tell whether they are still hung up on Reaganomics and don't support the "transformational" legislation that we need, or are just concerned about inflation and the pandemic, which Biden only has marginal control over, but they blame him anyway just because he's the president and they are frustrated.

He is the one in charge now. It's going to be hard to blame Trump for all his screw ups. I thought Biden getting a handle on COVID was a given coming in. But, to my surprise, Biden managed to screw that up too. Well, you elected him and his ilk and you're going find yourself paying a significant price for your big mistake. America is going to discard you and leave you for the wolves/criminals to prey on/devour so to speak.

Unfortunately Biden was the only candidate willing to run who could have defeated Trump. So we are stuck with him. He doesn't seem to anticipate troubles very well. He does his best once he is onto the problem, but his actions are sometimes too slow; maybe too little and too late. His legislative program is good; far enough to the left to make you guys mad, so that is a good indication of how good it is.

I have written to him and told him to force Pfizer and Moderna to make the covid vaccines available to the world. He has not done this. Therefore variants have appeared and kept the pandemic going, with bad results for the economy and our dependence on China and the trade backups. If your guy Trump had been re-elected, all these things and more would have been much worse, and there would be no turning back from the USA becoming an authoritarian state like Turkey or worse, and no turning back from hothouse Earth and the end of civilization. But that's what you guys want.

Yep, his policies are far enough to the left to piss most Americans off and loose most of the country. So, who are you going to leach off when the American population aka American economy is no longer available to tax. Hint, you ain't much better at anticipating troubles ahead or recognizing failures than Biden or any of the blue idiots/morons positioned at the top of the blue paradigm these days. As far COVID, the vaccines have already failed to stop COVID. I know more vaccinated people who currently have COVID than unvaccinated people these days. I told you several months ago that it would wise to shift focus from vaccinating everyone to testing and treatments but you didn't listen. Yep. You're stuck with Biden or some other Liberal/Progressive fuck up like Biden. So, you may as well get used to going downward and get used to the idea of living out the rest of your in a Banana Republic and get used to all the lowly shit that goes on in Banana Republics. I say fuck you, fuck Biden, fuck the Democrats and fuck the Progressives too. So, how long is going to be before the Democrats fuck themselves out of a country? A few more years maybe if America continues to go along with tradition like you and the other stooges seem to expect? Haven't you learned not to expect anything relative to the past these days? You should have by now.

[pbrower2a]

(01-05-2022, 04:43 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Yep, (President Biden's) policies are far enough to the left to piss most Americans off and loose most of the country. So, who are you going to leach off when the American population aka American economy is no longer available to tax. Hint, you ain't much better at anticipating troubles ahead or recognizing failures than Biden or any of the blue idiots/morons positioned at the top of the blue paradigm these days. As far COVID, the vaccines have already failed to stop COVID. I know more vaccinated people who currently have COVID than unvaccinated people these days. I told you several months ago that it would wise to shift focus from vaccinating everyone to testing and treatments but you didn't listen. Yep. You're stuck with Biden or some other Liberal/Progressive fuck up like Biden. So, you may as well get used to going downward and get used to the idea of living out the rest of your in a Banana Republic and get used to all the lowly (vile language excised) So, how long is going to be before the Democrats (vile language excised) themselves out of a country? A few more years maybe if America continues to go along with tradition like you and the other stooges seem to expect? Haven't you learned not to expect anything relative to the past these days? You should have by now.

Classic X'er, you do not understand the variety of people who constitute America. You are so certain of what you believe and that anyone who disagrees with you is completely wrong.

You are right that most of us are ill-prepared for an usurpation by ruthless, amoral people. You may survive such while someone like me gets tortured and killed; when things go bleak for you (they always do for all but the well-connected ) you will regret that people like me are no longer around. 

You could hardly be more wrong about vaccines stopping COVID-19. About one million people have died in America due to COVID-19, and then more due to suicides and drug overdoses because they cannot cope with the loneliness and boredom. Yes, it is a rough time... but let's get it over with. Well, that's what I was thinking when COVID-19 started killing in large numbers such as one 9-11 or Pearl Harbor calamity on some days. Or maybe one day of killing at a Nazi murder camp on some days. COVID-19 has been killing Americans much like a Crisis war.  

Trump pushed quack medical treatment and even suggested using bleach as an internal medicine. I don't know if I have anything more to offer except my own experience. I curtailed my getting around. I used bleach wipes on surfaces. I counted to thirty when washing my hands after doing almost anything. I kept my social distance. I wore a mask. When I did go to a grocery store I thanked people for wearing masks when compliance was poor.  I survived long enough to get vaccinated, and I got the shots. I volunteered at clinics.   

You can tell that I am not one of those people who suffocated while COVID-19 reduced oxygen saturation to dangerous levels. I never had to be sedated to be put on a respirator. That's how many people died of COVID-19.  People like me, who survived because they followed the competent advice of experts, are still around. COVID-19 has killed about 1.5% of those who contract it. So you survive. Guess what is possible after COVID-19?

1. organ damage that shortens life.
2. diabetes, which also damages organs.
3. cognitive loss. That's right -- get COVID-19 and you might get stupider. 
4. sexual dysfunction which can make life miserable.
5. miscarriages
6. infections of loved ones, including pets. 

I haven't heard anything about birth defects or cancer yet, but I would not be surprised by those as long-term effects.

What can I say?  COVID-19 has been more likely to kill than a rattlesnake bite. I avoid rattlers, and if I hear a rattle I back off. I don't use street drugs or drive drunk. I heed warning siogns and warning labels.

[Eric the Green]

(01-05-2022, 04:43 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-05-2022, 02:51 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-05-2022, 01:56 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-04-2022, 04:13 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Biden is behind, but he may have made a small recovery. Zogby favors Biden and Democrats, while Trafalgar and Rasmussen favor Republicans and are almost certainly dishonest. But Biden is still behind by 17-19 points in those Republican polls. Probably his actual average is somewhere like minus 6-8 points. Independents and suburban voters are disapproving right now. Time will tell whether they are still hung up on Reaganomics and don't support the "transformational" legislation that we need, or are just concerned about inflation and the pandemic, which Biden only has marginal control over, but they blame him anyway just because he's the president and they are frustrated.

He is the one in charge now. It's going to be hard to blame Trump for all his screw ups. I thought Biden getting a handle on COVID was a given coming in. But, to my surprise, Biden managed to screw that up too. Well, you elected him and his ilk and you're going find yourself paying a significant price for your big mistake. America is going to discard you and leave you for the wolves/criminals to prey on/devour so to speak.

Unfortunately Biden was the only candidate willing to run who could have defeated Trump. So we are stuck with him. He doesn't seem to anticipate troubles very well. He does his best once he is onto the problem, but his actions are sometimes too slow; maybe too little and too late. His legislative program is good; far enough to the left to make you guys mad, so that is a good indication of how good it is.

I have written to him and told him to force Pfizer and Moderna to make the covid vaccines available to the world. He has not done this. Therefore variants have appeared and kept the pandemic going, with bad results for the economy and our dependence on China and the trade backups. If your guy Trump had been re-elected, all these things and more would have been much worse, and there would be no turning back from the USA becoming an authoritarian state like Turkey or worse, and no turning back from hothouse Earth and the end of civilization. But that's what you guys want.

Yep, his policies are far enough to the left to piss most Americans off and loose most of the country. So, who are you going to leach off when the American population aka American economy is no longer available to tax. Hint, you ain't much better at anticipating troubles ahead or recognizing failures than Biden or any of the blue idiots/morons positioned at the top of the blue paradigm these days. As far COVID, the vaccines have already failed to stop COVID. I know more vaccinated people who currently have COVID than unvaccinated people these days. I told you several months ago that it would wise to shift focus from vaccinating everyone to testing and treatments but you didn't listen. Yep. You're stuck with Biden or some other Liberal/Progressive fuck up like Biden. So, you may as well get used to going downward and get used to the idea of living out the rest of your in a Banana Republic and get used to all the lowly shit that goes on in Banana Republics. I say fuck you, fuck Biden, fuck the Democrats and fuck the Progressives too. So, how long is going to be before the Democrats fuck themselves out of a country? A few more years maybe if America continues to go along with tradition like you and the other stooges seem to expect? Haven't you learned not to expect anything relative to the past these days? You should have by now.

Sorry, ha ha. I don't go by a report from a rabid right-winger like you about covid and vaccines. We have posted the reliable reports here. Most people who get infected now are unvaccinated. The omicorn variant is more contagious and some vaccinated people get it, but only have mild cases. Those who are dying or going to the hospital now are the unvaccinated, and maybe a few old codgers whose immune system is shot.

In any case, I am fine with splitting off from you red staters and red countiers, if we can swing a good deal. We are the wealthy states, with the brains and the world connections. You guys are just hillbillies. There's no wealth there in your territory to tax. You guys are all just deluded goof balls. Without you retrogrades, we will be free to tax the rich to pay their fair share, which you guys refuse to do because you already ARE a banana republic, which by definition is one that is ruled by the wealthy, which you guys have forced upon us. So, if you want to leave America, don't let the door hitcha on the way out.

[Classic-Xer]

(01-05-2022, 08:59 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Sorry, ha ha. I don't go by a report from a rabid right-winger like you about covid and vaccines. We have posted the reliable reports here. Most people who get infected now are unvaccinated. The omicorn variant is more contagious and some vaccinated people get it, but only have mild cases. Those who are dying or going to the hospital now are the unvaccinated, and maybe a few old codgers whose immune system is shot.

In any case, I am fine with splitting off from you red staters and red countiers, if we can swing a good deal. We are the wealthy states, with the brains and the world connections. You guys are just hillbillies. There's no wealth there in your territory to tax. You guys are all just deluded goof balls. Without you retrogrades, we will be free to tax the rich to pay their fair share, which you guys refuse to do because you already ARE a banana republic, which by definition is one that is ruled by the wealthy, which you guys have forced upon us. So, if you want to leave America, don't let the door hitcha on the way out.

You should because your side just lost it's war with COVID. I assume that's why Biden's approval has dipped into the 30's now. Joe may as well change his name to Bernie because that's who/what we have running the country now. BTW, I'm a blue state Republican voter right now. Oh, I live outside of the blue banana republics like most Minnesotan's these days. BTW, I heard the progressives got their butts back in November by the Minneapolis taxpayers. Dude, we aren't leaving America, America will be leaving California or splitting California and joining up the rest of America and get whatever you got so to speak. Like I said, I don't think you have an understanding of what all you're going to loose. What is it with now and making judgements and big decisions based on now without taking into account change or necessities needed in advance. We ain't giving up the flag. We may have to alter a bit afterwards or maybe not depending on how it plays out.

[Classic-Xer]

(01-05-2022, 07:48 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: What can I say?  COVID-19 has been more likely to kill than a rattlesnake bite. I avoid rattlers, and if I hear a rattle I back off. I don't use street drugs or drive drunk. I heed warning siogns and warning labels.

Where do you come up with this shit? I've already had COVID a few times. Have you ever been bit by a rattlesnake? If I were you, I'd be more concerned about a rattlesnake bite than COVID.

[pbrower2a]

(01-07-2022, 06:33 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-05-2022, 07:48 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: What can I say?  COVID-19 has been more likely to kill than a rattlesnake bite. I avoid rattlers, and if I hear a rattle I back off. I don't use street drugs or drive drunk. I heed warning siogns and warning labels.

Where do you come up with this XXXX? I've already had COVID a few times. Have you ever been bit by a rattlesnake? If I were you, I'd be more concerned about a rattlesnake bite than COVID.

Wikipedia: 

Quote:Rattlesnakes tend to avoid wide-open spaces where they cannot hide from predators, and generally avoid humans if they are aware of their approach.[76] Rattlesnakes rarely bite unless they feel threatened or provoked. A majority of victims (about 72%[77]) are males, often young and intoxicated. Around half of bites occur in cases where the victim saw the snake, yet made no effort to move away.[34]


Harassing or attacking a rattlesnake, illegal in some jurisdictions, puts one at much higher risk of a bite. Rattlesnakes seek to avoid humans and other predators or large herbivores that themselves pose lethal danger.[78] Dogs, often much more aggressive than humans, are much more likely to experience a snakebite, and are more likely to die of a rattlesnake bite. Dogs can be vaccinated against rattlesnake bites.[79]

Caution is advised even when snakes are believed to be dead; rattlesnake heads can sense, flick the tongue, and inflict venomous bites reflexively for up to an hour after being severed from the body.[80][81]

An estimated 7,000 to 8,000 people are bitten by venomous snakes in the United States each year, with about five deaths.[82] The most important factor in survival following a severe envenomation is the time elapsed between the bite and treatment. Most deaths occur between 6 and 48 hours after the bite. If antivenom treatment is given within two hours of the bite, the probability of recovery is greater than 99%.[83]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattlesnake#Venom[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattlesnake#cite_note-83]

Yes, one has a better chance of surviving a rattler bite.  For now, if I were unvaccinated (and still alive) I can contrast a carrier of COVID-19 to a rattler  in that a rattler usually gives a reliable warning to back off. I have lived in rattler country, and if I heard a rattler I would turn back and take any dog with me. People with COVID-19 don't look truly dangerous, but the death rate for uninoculated people has been about 1.5% 

A hint: rattler bite isn't considered much of an occupational risk for utility workers, police,  farmers, ranchers, soldiers, or construction workers. Hikers, campers, golfers, fishermen? Likewise. Rattlers don't want to face our lethal hooves or the similarly-deadly bites of dogs or cats. They attack almost entirely when provoked. Anyone not inoculated for COVID-19 is at risk of something more dangerous than a rattler bite.

I'm not the sort who provokes rattlers. It's just too stupid. I'd call 911 if I saw someone provoking a rattler. 

I'm still using masks; "Rona" is still stalking us.

[Classic-Xer]

(01-07-2022, 11:27 PM)mpbrower2a Wrote:

(01-07-2022, 06:33 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-05-2022, 07:48 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: What can I say?  COVID-19 has been more likely to kill than a rattlesnake bite. I avoid rattlers, and if I hear a rattle I back off. I don't use street drugs or drive drunk. I heed warning siogns and warning labels.

Where do you come up with this XXXX? I've already had COVID a few times. Have you ever been bit by a rattlesnake? If I were you, I'd be more concerned about a rattlesnake bite than COVID.

Wikipedia: 

Quote:Rattlesnakes tend to avoid wide-open spaces where they cannot hide from predators, and generally avoid humans if they are aware of their approach.[76] Rattlesnakes rarely bite unless they feel threatened or provoked. A majority of victims (about 72%[77]) are males, often young and intoxicated. Around half of bites occur in cases where the victim saw the snake, yet made no effort to move away.[34]


Harassing or attacking a rattlesnake, illegal in some jurisdictions, puts one at much higher risk of a bite. Rattlesnakes seek to avoid humans and other predators or large herbivores that themselves pose lethal danger.[78] Dogs, often much more aggressive than humans, are much more likely to experience a snakebite, and are more likely to die of a rattlesnake bite. Dogs can be vaccinated against rattlesnake bites.[79]

Caution is advised even when snakes are believed to be dead; rattlesnake heads can sense, flick the tongue, and inflict venomous bites reflexively for up to an hour after being severed from the body.[80][81]

An estimated 7,000 to 8,000 people are bitten by venomous snakes in the United States each year, with about five deaths.[82] The most important factor in survival following a severe envenomation is the time elapsed between the bite and treatment. Most deaths occur between 6 and 48 hours after the bite. If antivenom treatment is given within two hours of the bite, the probability of recovery is greater than 99%.[83]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattlesnake#Venom[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattlesnake#cite_note-83]

Yes, one has a better chance of surviving a rattler bite.  For now, if I were unvaccinated (and still alive) I can contrast a carrier of COVID-19 to a rattler  in that a rattler usually gives a reliable warning to back off. I have lived in rattler country, and if I heard a rattler I would turn back and take any dog with me. People with COVID-19 don't look truly dangerous, but the death rate for uninoculated people has been about 1.5% 

A hint: rattler bite isn't considered much of an occupational risk for utility workers, police,  farmers, ranchers, soldiers, or construction workers. Hikers, campers, golfers, fishermen? Likewise. Rattlers don't want to face our lethal hooves or the similarly-deadly bites of dogs or cats. They attack almost entirely when provoked. Anyone not inoculated for COVID-19 is at risk of something more dangerous than a rattler bite.

I'm not the sort who provokes rattlers. It's just too stupid. I'd call 911 if I saw someone provoking a rattler. 

I'm still using masks; "Rona" is still stalking us.

I wish there was a way to prove you wrong without killing you in the process. So, what's the average time it takes for COVID to kill a person without respirators? Does it usually take more or less than 6-48 hours to kill a person? You're college educated and you're supposed to smarter than me according to the stereotype most blue idiots still tend to go by these days even though it's been proven to be false many times. So, how long do think you last if it was you arguing against four of us. In other words, do you think you'd be able to do what I do here against all of you guys. I must admit, doing what I do here is much easier today than when I started out almost 20 years ago.

[Bob Butler 54]

(01-08-2022, 03:22 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I wish there was a way to prove you wrong without killing you in the process. So, what's the average time it takes for COVID to kill a person without respirators? Does it usually take more or less than 6-48 hours to kill a person? You're college educated and you're supposed to smarter than me according to the stereotype most blue idiots still tend to go by these days even though it's been proven to be false many times. So, how long do think you last if it was you arguing against four of us. In other words, do you think you'd be able to do what I do here against all of you guys. I must admit, doing what I do here is much easier today than when I started out almost 20 years ago.

If one is set in a worldview, you are not going to change it without a drastic event.  By drastic, I mean Yorktown, Atlanta or Hiroshima.  You are not going to change Eric, Pbower, Dave or my basic perspective.  If you think you are, you are delusional.

The Republican Party has always been the party of the elites.  Soon after LBJ and MLK. they also became also the party of racists.  This is distinctly not Acirema, the nonexistent people you pretend to speak for.  Those willing to commit violence, those who showed up last January 6th, were the most die hard racists.  Trump's remnants are worth discussion, are quite real, but your imaginary followers don't seem to be the same group.

In a way you are doing the site a favor.  You are giving us something to talk about.  Unfortunately, it is pretty much irrelevant.  Just as you have done nothing but talk and troll, so will your imaginary followers.  For all your obsession with violence, you have never been brave enough to get involved in it.  Sure.  Bluster and pretend.  Make empty threats.  Yawn.

To me, the pattern of civilization changed with and after WW II.  It is obvious to most how cost ineffective conquest has become.  Nukes, proxy wars and insurgent wars have made sure of it.  Non violent protest has become viable as a way of changing democratic cultures.  This ought to make it a priority to update the Information Age observations of Strauss and Howe to include how the world has changed in the Information Age.  Unfortunately, we have to deal with a troll instead.

In my role playing game I am pushing a basic perspective.  Every culture wants a land and to be left alone, but many culture wish to expand, and are willing to interfere with or destroy other cultures in the process of expanding their own interests.  These latter are the bad guys.  If you see the elites, racists, and nations like Russia as willing to step on others to gain their own interests, this fits with reality well enough.  Containing the bad guys is worthy.

[Eric the Green]

(01-08-2022, 03:22 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-07-2022, 11:27 PM)mpbrower2a Wrote:

(01-07-2022, 06:33 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-05-2022, 07:48 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: What can I say?  COVID-19 has been more likely to kill than a rattlesnake bite. I avoid rattlers, and if I hear a rattle I back off. I don't use street drugs or drive drunk. I heed warning siogns and warning labels.

Where do you come up with this XXXX? I've already had COVID a few times. Have you ever been bit by a rattlesnake? If I were you, I'd be more concerned about a rattlesnake bite than COVID.

Wikipedia: 

Quote:Rattlesnakes tend to avoid wide-open spaces where they cannot hide from predators, and generally avoid humans if they are aware of their approach.[76] Rattlesnakes rarely bite unless they feel threatened or provoked. A majority of victims (about 72%[77]) are males, often young and intoxicated. Around half of bites occur in cases where the victim saw the snake, yet made no effort to move away.[34]


Harassing or attacking a rattlesnake, illegal in some jurisdictions, puts one at much higher risk of a bite. Rattlesnakes seek to avoid humans and other predators or large herbivores that themselves pose lethal danger.[78] Dogs, often much more aggressive than humans, are much more likely to experience a snakebite, and are more likely to die of a rattlesnake bite. Dogs can be vaccinated against rattlesnake bites.[79]

Caution is advised even when snakes are believed to be dead; rattlesnake heads can sense, flick the tongue, and inflict venomous bites reflexively for up to an hour after being severed from the body.[80][81]

An estimated 7,000 to 8,000 people are bitten by venomous snakes in the United States each year, with about five deaths.[82] The most important factor in survival following a severe envenomation is the time elapsed between the bite and treatment. Most deaths occur between 6 and 48 hours after the bite. If antivenom treatment is given within two hours of the bite, the probability of recovery is greater than 99%.[83]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattlesnake#Venom[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattlesnake#cite_note-83]

Yes, one has a better chance of surviving a rattler bite.  For now, if I were unvaccinated (and still alive) I can contrast a carrier of COVID-19 to a rattler  in that a rattler usually gives a reliable warning to back off. I have lived in rattler country, and if I heard a rattler I would turn back and take any dog with me. People with COVID-19 don't look truly dangerous, but the death rate for uninoculated people has been about 1.5% 

A hint: rattler bite isn't considered much of an occupational risk for utility workers, police,  farmers, ranchers, soldiers, or construction workers. Hikers, campers, golfers, fishermen? Likewise. Rattlers don't want to face our lethal hooves or the similarly-deadly bites of dogs or cats. They attack almost entirely when provoked. Anyone not inoculated for COVID-19 is at risk of something more dangerous than a rattler bite.

I'm not the sort who provokes rattlers. It's just too stupid. I'd call 911 if I saw someone provoking a rattler. 

I'm still using masks; "Rona" is still stalking us.

I wish there was a way to prove you wrong without killing you in the process. So, what's the average time it takes for COVID to kill a person without respirators? Does it usually take more or less than 6-48 hours to kill a person? You're college educated and you're supposed to smarter than me according to the stereotype most blue idiots still tend to go by these days even though it's been proven to be false many times. So, how long do think you last if it was you arguing against four of us. In other words, do you think you'd be able to do what I do here against all of you guys. I must admit, doing what I do here is much easier today than when I started out almost 20 years ago.

There are many unvaccinated people getting covid today. They are mostly the ones in the hospital, including many more children not vaccinated yet or not eligible to be vaccinated yet. Many of them are now saying they wish they had been vaccinated. Some of them die. They are proving you wrong by dying in the process. You keep getting covid Classic Xer, and you may very well die from it. Well, one less right-wing idiot around.





The fate of antivaxxers:
https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/

Hey, Classic Xer, please get vaccinated! Without you, who would we argue with around here?

[pbrower2a]

(01-08-2022, 03:22 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-07-2022, 11:27 PM)mpbrower2a Wrote:

(01-07-2022, 06:33 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-05-2022, 07:48 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: What can I say?  COVID-19 has been more likely to kill than a rattlesnake bite. I avoid rattlers, and if I hear a rattle I back off. I don't use street drugs or drive drunk. I heed warning siogns and warning labels.

Where do you come up with this XXXX? I've already had COVID a few times. Have you ever been bit by a rattlesnake? If I were you, I'd be more concerned about a rattlesnake bite than COVID.

Wikipedia: 

Quote:Rattlesnakes tend to avoid wide-open spaces where they cannot hide from predators, and generally avoid humans if they are aware of their approach.[76] Rattlesnakes rarely bite unless they feel threatened or provoked. A majority of victims (about 72%[77]) are males, often young and intoxicated. Around half of bites occur in cases where the victim saw the snake, yet made no effort to move away.[34]


Harassing or attacking a rattlesnake, illegal in some jurisdictions, puts one at much higher risk of a bite. Rattlesnakes seek to avoid humans and other predators or large herbivores that themselves pose lethal danger.[78] Dogs, often much more aggressive than humans, are much more likely to experience a snakebite, and are more likely to die of a rattlesnake bite. Dogs can be vaccinated against rattlesnake bites.[79]

Caution is advised even when snakes are believed to be dead; rattlesnake heads can sense, flick the tongue, and inflict venomous bites reflexively for up to an hour after being severed from the body.[80][81]

An estimated 7,000 to 8,000 people are bitten by venomous snakes in the United States each year, with about five deaths.[82] The most important factor in survival following a severe envenomation is the time elapsed between the bite and treatment. Most deaths occur between 6 and 48 hours after the bite. If antivenom treatment is given within two hours of the bite, the probability of recovery is greater than 99%.[83]

[/url]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattlesnake#Venom[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattlesnake#cite_note-83]

Yes, one has a better chance of surviving a rattler bite.  For now, if I were unvaccinated (and still alive) I can contrast a carrier of COVID-19 to a rattler  in that a rattler usually gives a reliable warning to back off. I have lived in rattler country, and if I heard a rattler I would turn back and take any dog with me. People with COVID-19 don't look truly dangerous, but the death rate for uninoculated people has been about 1.5% 

A hint: rattler bite isn't considered much of an occupational risk for utility workers, police,  farmers, ranchers, soldiers, or construction workers. Hikers, campers, golfers, fishermen? Likewise. Rattlers don't want to face our lethal hooves or the similarly-deadly bites of dogs or cats. They attack almost entirely when provoked. Anyone not inoculated for COVID-19 is at risk of something more dangerous than a rattler bite.

I'm not the sort who provokes rattlers. It's just too stupid. I'd call 911 if I saw someone provoking a rattler. 

I'm still using masks; "Rona" is still stalking us.

I wish there was a way to prove you wrong without killing you in the process. So, what's the average time it takes for COVID to kill a person without respirators? Does it usually take more or less than 6-48 hours to kill a person? You're college educated and you're supposed to smarter than me according to the stereotype most blue idiots still tend to go by these days even though it's been proven to be false many times. So, how long do think you last if it was you arguing against four of us. In other words, do you think you'd be able to do what I do here against all of you guys. I must admit, doing what I do here is much easier today than when I started out almost 20 years ago.

Statistical evidence has become the measure of decision-making on medicine and public policy. Of course many people beat the odds. Some people get away with all sorts of statistically-dangerous behavior; some people are very good at it, like professional auto racers and daredevil pilots. They know what they are doing. Typically they calculate the risks. I think of the late Steve Irwin, the "Crocodile Hunter" who provoked Australian crocodiles to demonstrate how dangerous they could be to someone unwary in the land of crocodiles. He made sure to barely get away with his life, but he knew that once he was on dry land he could run faster, and he knew how much leeway he needed to get away with it. As he got into his thirties he recognized that his reflexes and running speed were already in decline (which explains why most pro athletes' careers are over by 35), so he could no longer bait crocodiles and get away from them. The margin might not be that one would catch and eat him but that on one bad day he would be crippled, ending his career. 

Steve Irwin would have never done to any creature of the mammalian order Carnivora, all of which are swift, powerful, strong, agile, cunning, voracious creatures with sharp teeth and claws. I have referred to some dogs as "tigers" for showing an aggressive side that makes them tiger-like except for size. It's up to dog owners to tolerate no aggressive behavior by dogs without due provocation (burglars, muggers, and rapists should consider themselves dog food) and for us to not provoke the dog. He once did to alligators what he did to crocodiles for a filmed trip to America, but he knew well what he was doing.  I remember him saying of a rattlesnake.. "Do you know what is even more dangerous? An abandoned mine", which Arizona has in abundance. Australia has arguably the most dangerous wildlife except perhaps for Africa. It has no Big Cats, but the dingo, essentially a feral dog, takes the ecological role of a Big Cat and does that role well. Well enough that they have taken children away as prey (Azalea Chamberlain).

Eventually he went on tour with members of the Cousteau organization, which is expert at dealing with calculated risks. An uncalculated risk eventually killed Steve Irwin, a sting ray striking himn with its spiked tail and penetrating his heart. Any other place of attack would have been short of lethal, but everything that could go wrong went wrong. 

Some people do dangerous jobs, as in police work, fire-fighting, mining, oil-getting, and construction work. They have rigid procedures to reduce risks, like respirators for fire fighters and bullet-proof vests for cops. Miners have long had detectors for chokedamp (carbon monoxide), firedamp (methane), and stinkdamp (hydrogen sulfide), all three of which gases are potentially lethal. Miners use higher-tech devices than the literal canaries in the coal mine that succumbed faster than miners.  They do what they can to minimize risks of sudden, pointless death. 

With medicine and public policy, the experts use statistical measures. They do not rely upon personal testimonies or other unreliable explanations. I have seen the statistical evidence, and it clearly states on COVID-19 that some vaccines are highly reliable in reducing the chance of contracting the Plague of Donald Trump and of death or serious and lasting impairment if one gets it. Yes, people with compromised immune systems such as the late General Colin Powell can die of it -- but he had Parkinsonism and multiple myeloma, either of which would have killed him anyway. With drunk driving, some people who have done it have said that they drive even better after "a cuppla beersh", but try telling that to a cop. As a rule, police typically expect someone to have consumed twice as much alcohol as they claim to have said. (That is even true with people who haven't been drinking... you know, twice zero is still zero. I have been stopped for DUI without having had any alcohol, having been awake since 5AM and driving at 8PM. I should have been stopped). Statistical connections between alcohol in the system (blood alcohol content, or BAC)  are well established in theory and they are the basis of the laws that we have.   

As for a college education, it is overrated as an assurance of competence. College-educated people can still be cranks or get enraptured in pseudoscience. I've met people with college degrees who can't hold a credible conversation. I have known some who have done stupid things like use street drugs, sleep with anything that moves in the time of AIDS, drive drunk, join cults, and fall for extremist causes. One is more likely to do those things if one is a half-wit. The connection between IQ and formal learning is generally well established, as the high-school dropouts are largely dummies. Such is also true of the connection between intelligence and crime. Crime is stupid. Some burglars (nasty people, as many are also rapists) who feel assurance that the little yapping dog is only a Jack Russell terrier. My observation with dogs is that the smaller the dog, the more tiger-like its behavior is. Hospitalization rates by breed are twice as high for bites by kitten-sized Yorkshire terriers than for dogs in general. Little ankle-biters? I'd rather be bitten on my thigh, thank you, because that will not cripple me. 

I am at most an amateur at assessing risks. All that I can rely upon is the statistical evidence.

[Classic-Xer]

(01-08-2022, 02:04 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(01-08-2022, 03:22 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-07-2022, 11:27 PM)mpbrower2a Wrote:

(01-07-2022, 06:33 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-05-2022, 07:48 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: What can I say?  COVID-19 has been more likely to kill than a rattlesnake bite. I avoid rattlers, and if I hear a rattle I back off. I don't use street drugs or drive drunk. I heed warning siogns and warning labels.

Where do you come up with this XXXX? I've already had COVID a few times. Have you ever been bit by a rattlesnake? If I were you, I'd be more concerned about a rattlesnake bite than COVID.

Wikipedia: 

Quote:Rattlesnakes tend to avoid wide-open spaces where they cannot hide from predators, and generally avoid humans if they are aware of their approach.[76] Rattlesnakes rarely bite unless they feel threatened or provoked. A majority of victims (about 72%[77]) are males, often young and intoxicated. Around half of bites occur in cases where the victim saw the snake, yet made no effort to move away.[34]


Harassing or attacking a rattlesnake, illegal in some jurisdictions, puts one at much higher risk of a bite. Rattlesnakes seek to avoid humans and other predators or large herbivores that themselves pose lethal danger.[78] Dogs, often much more aggressive than humans, are much more likely to experience a snakebite, and are more likely to die of a rattlesnake bite. Dogs can be vaccinated against rattlesnake bites.[79]

Caution is advised even when snakes are believed to be dead; rattlesnake heads can sense, flick the tongue, and inflict venomous bites reflexively for up to an hour after being severed from the body.[80][81]

An estimated 7,000 to 8,000 people are bitten by venomous snakes in the United States each year, with about five deaths.[82] The most important factor in survival following a severe envenomation is the time elapsed between the bite and treatment. Most deaths occur between 6 and 48 hours after the bite. If antivenom treatment is given within two hours of the bite, the probability of recovery is greater than 99%.[83]

[/url]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattlesnake#Venom[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattlesnake#cite_note-83]

Yes, one has a better chance of surviving a rattler bite.  For now, if I were unvaccinated (and still alive) I can contrast a carrier of COVID-19 to a rattler  in that a rattler usually gives a reliable warning to back off. I have lived in rattler country, and if I heard a rattler I would turn back and take any dog with me. People with COVID-19 don't look truly dangerous, but the death rate for uninoculated people has been about 1.5% 

A hint: rattler bite isn't considered much of an occupational risk for utility workers, police,  farmers, ranchers, soldiers, or construction workers. Hikers, campers, golfers, fishermen? Likewise. Rattlers don't want to face our lethal hooves or the similarly-deadly bites of dogs or cats. They attack almost entirely when provoked. Anyone not inoculated for COVID-19 is at risk of something more dangerous than a rattler bite.

I'm not the sort who provokes rattlers. It's just too stupid. I'd call 911 if I saw someone provoking a rattler. 

I'm still using masks; "Rona" is still stalking us.

I wish there was a way to prove you wrong without killing you in the process. So, what's the average time it takes for COVID to kill a person without respirators? Does it usually take more or less than 6-48 hours to kill a person? You're college educated and you're supposed to smarter than me according to the stereotype most blue idiots still tend to go by these days even though it's been proven to be false many times. So, how long do think you last if it was you arguing against four of us. In other words, do you think you'd be able to do what I do here against all of you guys. I must admit, doing what I do here is much easier today than when I started out almost 20 years ago.

Statistical evidence has become the measure of decision-making on medicine and public policy. Of course many people beat the odds. Some people get away with all sorts of statistically-dangerous behavior; some people are very good at it, like professional auto racers and daredevil pilots. They know what they are doing. Typically they calculate the risks. I think of the late Steve Irwin, the "Crocodile Hunter" who provoked Australian crocodiles to demonstrate how dangerous they could be to someone unwary in the land of crocodiles. He made sure to barely get away with his life, but he knew that once he was on dry land he could run faster, and he knew how much leeway he needed to get away with it. As he got into his thirties he recognized that his reflexes and running speed were already in decline (which explains why most pro athletes' careers are over by 35), so he could no longer bait crocodiles and get away from them. The margin might not be that one would catch and eat him but that on one bad day he would be crippled, ending his career. 

Steve Irwin would have never done to any creature of the mammalian order Carnivora, all of which are swift, powerful, strong, agile, cunning, voracious creatures with sharp teeth and claws. I have referred to some dogs as "tigers" for showing an aggressive side that makes them tiger-like except for size. It's up to dog owners to tolerate no aggressive behavior by dogs without due provocation (burglars, muggers, and rapists should consider themselves dog food) and for us to not provoke the dog. He once did to alligators what he did to crocodiles for a filmed trip to America, but he knew well what he was doing.  I remember him saying of a rattlesnake.. "Do you know what is even more dangerous? An abandoned mine", which Arizona has in abundance. Australia has arguably the most dangerous wildlife except perhaps for Africa. It has no Big Cats, but the dingo, essentially a feral dog, takes the ecological role of a Big Cat and does that role well. Well enough that they have taken children away as prey (Azalea Chamberlain).

Eventually he went on tour with members of the Cousteau organization, which is expert at dealing with calculated risks. An uncalculated risk eventually killed Steve Irwin, a sting ray striking himn with its spiked tail and penetrating his heart. Any other place of attack would have been short of lethal, but everything that could go wrong went wrong. 

Some people do dangerous jobs, as in police work, fire-fighting, mining, oil-getting, and construction work. They have rigid procedures to reduce risks, like respirators for fire fighters and bullet-proof vests for cops. Miners have long had detectors for chokedamp (carbon monoxide), firedamp (methane), and stinkdamp (hydrogen sulfide), all three of which gases are potentially lethal. Miners use higher-tech devices than the literal canaries in the coal mine that succumbed faster than miners.  They do what they can to minimize risks of sudden, pointless death. 

With medicine and public policy, the experts use statistical measures. They do not rely upon personal testimonies or other unreliable explanations. I have seen the statistical evidence, and it clearly states on COVID-19 that some vaccines are highly reliable in reducing the chance of contracting the Plague of Donald Trump and of death or serious and lasting impairment if one gets it. Yes, people with compromised immune systems such as the late General Colin Powell can die of it -- but he had Parkinsonism and multiple myeloma, either of which would have killed him anyway. With drunk driving, some people who have done it have said that they drive even better after "a cuppla beersh", but try telling that to a cop. As a rule, police typically expect someone to have consumed twice as much alcohol as they claim to have said. (That is even true with people who haven't been drinking... you know, twice zero is still zero. I have been stopped for DUI without having had any alcohol, having been awake since 5AM and driving at 8PM. I should have been stopped). Statistical connections between alcohol in the system (blood alcohol content, or BAC)  are well established in theory and they are the basis of the laws that we have.   

As for a college education, it is overrated as an assurance of competence. College-educated people can still be cranks or get enraptured in pseudoscience. I've met people with college degrees who can't hold a credible conversation. I have known some who have done stupid things like use street drugs, sleep with anything that moves in the time of AIDS, drive drunk, join cults, and fall for extremist causes. One is more likely to do those things if one is a half-wit. The connection between IQ and formal learning is generally well established, as the high-school dropouts are largely dummies. Such is also true of the connection between intelligence and crime. Crime is stupid. Some burglars (nasty people, as many are also rapists) who feel assurance that the little yapping dog is only a Jack Russell terrier. My observation with dogs is that the smaller the dog, the more tiger-like its behavior is. Hospitalization rates by breed are twice as high for bites by kitten-sized Yorkshire terriers than for dogs in general. Little ankle-biters? I'd rather be bitten on my thigh, thank you, because that will not cripple me. 

I am at most an amateur at assessing risks. All that I can rely upon is the statistical evidence.

You're not going by statistical evidence or science at this point. You're going by what the Left Wing Media, the Democratic Party, Left Wing bureaucrats, Left Wing Institutions, Left Wing propagandists, Left Wing interest groups/organizations, Left Wing SCOTUS's 's and the Biden/Harris Administration are/have been telling you the entire time. Personally, I doubt COVID itself has killed anyone so far. OK, maybe it has killed a few people so far. We don't know that answer, we only how many deaths are COVID related. Oh, you won't find a dog that's built like a bear or a tiger either.

You should quit referring to dogs as tigers or saying there are dogs that are like tigers because it makes you look/sound stupid to people like me. You have a blue stereotype that some blues created for themselves to live up to or fail to live up to/die by in your case. I know a high school drop who works with Tesla. I know another one who owns/runs the gaming/ gaming development division associated with a global internet company. I know several others who have succeeded/are succeeding at whatever it is they do as well. You don't seem to know when it's time to stop and lick your wounds and reassess your situation/position. You're not alone that appears to be a common problem with those on the Left.