(09-01-2021, 05:18 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: I tried to be different from David Horn in explaining how wrong you are and especially how wrong Trump is. Trump shows all of the warning signs of fascism. He may not be the one to achieve it; he is simply too erratic, lazy, and witless to achieve it. If Classic X'er is a genuine fascist (whether he knows it or not) then the disappearance of his idol Trump from public life will not lead him from fascism. He will find another racist demagogue who tells him what he wants to hear. 

(If some con artist tells me that I am an unusually astute investor who can appreciate a truly-special investment, then I am running away. I know that I am not Warren Buffett, and I would rather follow Warren Buffett than someone who tries to butter me up into buying some shady investment. That is, if I had the money).  

We aren't out of the woods. At least the "lions and tigers and bears" usually try to leave us alone. Statistically you are in far more danger from a rabid animal than from "lions and tigers and bears". If Toto does not have his rabies shot he is even more dangerous than "lions and tigers and bears" in the woods... or if Baum had put the yellow brick road through a swamp, alligators in said swamp.  

Fascism does not need the personality of Donald Trump. It does need deviousness and demagoguery. It needs the Big Lie, the effort to harmonize logical contradictions between class interests, between tradition and progress, between superstition and science, and the pompous self-image of the demagogue against his moral emptiness. There will be another after Trump is gone. Maybe someone more sophisticated. On the other hand, if we get genuine human solidarity, fascism will become a sick joke much like BUF figures from the 1930's in Monty Python sketches.

(09-01-2021, 07:20 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(09-01-2021, 05:18 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Fascism does not need the personality of Donald Trump. It does need deviousness and demagoguery. It needs the Big Lie, the effort to harmonize logical contradictions between class interests, between tradition and progress, between superstition and science, and the pompous self-image of the demagogue against his moral emptiness. There will be another after Trump is gone. Maybe someone more sophisticated. On the other hand, if we get genuine human solidarity, fascism will become a sick joke much like BUF figures from the 1930's in Monty Python sketches.

I would estimate that you are correct. Many fascist dictatorships around the world past and present are not led by a talented story-teller and bullshit artist like Trump. Originally, it depended on demagogues with real talent: Mussolini and Hitler. And Trump is a talented one too. But Pinochet was not,

Quote:or Franco or Salazar, or countless other thugs the USA has supported or opposed, like Putin, Assad, Lukashenko, Orban, etc.

Quote:George W Bush had a certain charismatic talent, hardly visible to those of us on the blue side, but almost magically-appealing to those on the red side. He was also leading us down the road to fascism, although we tend to forget about this in the shadow of their Party's next even-more overt attempt to lead us there.

Quote:Girls like Guilfoyle or Taylor Greene could work some magic too, or guys like Tom Cotton. Not to mention Ivanka Trump.

Quote:Not nearly on the level of the founders of fascism that launched history's greatest war, but good enough for Mother America. I suspect another right-wing demagogue, someone more sophisticated, would have to have a high horoscope score. Cotton fills that bill, as do MTG and some others available today. You can always survey the list: https://philosopherswheel.com/presidentialelections.html#WhoScoredWhat

(09-01-2021, 10:02 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Tom Cotton is scary. If he can be something other than a regional candidate, then I could see him exploiting economic or international distress to get the needed edge. He is not objectionable so far except for ideology... but he might be the perfect vehicle for American fascism. He reminds me of characters leading the vile Norsefire regime in V for Vendetta , which has a fascistic Britain in which the regime offers faith as a substitute for happiness and rationality. That sounds much like the American Religious Right. If America has not graduated away from the near 50-50 split between authoritarians and liberals, then some rough times could cause many independent voters to think that he is onto something --- much like the case in 2016 on behalf of Trump.

(09-02-2021, 12:02 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(09-01-2021, 10:02 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Tom Cotton is scary. If he can be something other than a regional candidate, then I could see him exploiting economic or international distress to get the needed edge. He is not objectionable so far except for ideology... but he might be the perfect vehicle for American fascism. He reminds me of characters leading the vile Norsefire regime in V for Vendetta , which has a fascistic Britain in which the regime offers faith as a substitute for happiness and rationality. That sounds much like the American Religious Right. If America has not graduated away from the near 50-50 split between authoritarians and liberals, then some rough times could cause many independent voters to think that he is onto something --- much like the case in 2016 on behalf of Trump.

 PB, which group of authoritarians is flexing its muscles and using its power and authority right now. It's not us, we are waiting for moral/legal justification to begin asserting our power and authority right now. Who is imposing social restrictions right now? Who using its power and authority to address social inequity now? Who is banning who right now? Who is targeting who right now? Who is trying to threaten and intimidate who right now? Me, I'm letting you know what's going to happen to a group of partisan twits when the gloves come off. I figure that I'm morally obligated to inform you and the others  in advance. 

Bob and Eric are right, we are authoritarians too. The difference, we don't have an interest in ruling and controlling the entire country. We have an interest in keeping a portion of the country free (American). I'd say the chances of Americans killing Democrats in another war over freedom is very likely right now. Me, I don't live in a heavy blue area. I'm not dumb enough to live in an governed by a bunch of left wing lunatics/idiots. I live in a purple area where a lot of people have the means to protect themselves, their property and the community if necessary. I live in an area where competence matters and incompetence is frowned upon and replaced.

(09-02-2021, 03:26 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Republicans are taking voting rights away right now. They are oppressing women right now. They are imposing climate breakdown upon us right now. They are not getting vaccinated right now, thus imposing covid upon us. I sure hope we can use our authority to address social inequity, but that depends on whether all Democrats are real Democrats and not Republican wolves in sheep's clothing. And I sure hope we can take as many guns away from you guys as we can. 

(09-02-2021, 12:02 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(09-01-2021, 10:02 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Tom Cotton is scary. If he can be something other than a regional candidate, then I could see him exploiting economic or international distress to get the needed edge. He is not objectionable so far except for ideology... but he might be the perfect vehicle for American fascism. He reminds me of characters leading the vile Norsefire regime in V for Vendetta , which has a fascistic Britain in which the regime offers faith as a substitute for happiness and rationality. That sounds much like the American Religious Right. If America has not graduated away from the near 50-50 split between authoritarians and liberals, then some rough times could cause many independent voters to think that he is onto something --- much like the case in 2016 on behalf of Trump.

PB, which group of authoritarians is flexing its muscles and using its power and authority right now. It's not us, we are waiting for moral/legal justification to begin asserting our  power and authority right now. Who is imposing social restrictions right now? Who using its power and authority to address social inequity now? Who is banning who right now? Who is targeting who right now? Who is trying to threaten and intimidate who right now? Me, I'm letting you know what's going to happen to a group of partisan twits when the gloves come off. I figure that I'm morally obligated to inform you and the others  in advance.

Quote:Bob and Eric are right, we are authoritarians too. The difference, we don't have an interest in ruling and controlling the entire country. We have an interest in keeping a portion of the country free (American). I'd say the chances of Americans killing Democrats in another war over freedom is very likely right now. Me, I don't live in a heavy blue area. I'm not dumb enough to live in an governed by a bunch of left wing lunatics/idiots. I live in a purple area where a lot of people have the means to protect themselves, their property and the community if necessary. I live in an area where competence matters and incompetence is frowned upon and replaced.

(09-02-2021, 03:26 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(09-02-2021, 12:02 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(09-01-2021, 10:02 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Tom Cotton is scary. If he can be something other than a regional candidate, then I could see him exploiting economic or international distress to get the needed edge. He is not objectionable so far except for ideology... but he might be the perfect vehicle for American fascism. He reminds me of characters leading the vile Norsefire regime in V for Vendetta , which has a fascistic Britain in which the regime offers faith as a substitute for happiness and rationality. That sounds much like the American Religious Right. If America has not graduated away from the near 50-50 split between authoritarians and liberals, then some rough times could cause many independent voters to think that he is onto something --- much like the case in 2016 on behalf of Trump.

 PB, which group of authoritarians is flexing its muscles and using its power and authority right now. It's not us, we are waiting for moral/legal justification to begin asserting our power and authority right now. Who is imposing social restrictions right now? Who using its power and authority to address social inequity now? Who is banning who right now? Who is targeting who right now? Who is trying to threaten and intimidate who right now? Me, I'm letting you know what's going to happen to a group of partisan twits when the gloves come off. I figure that I'm morally obligated to inform you and the others  in advance. 

Bob and Eric are right, we are authoritarians too. The difference, we don't have an interest in ruling and controlling the entire country. We have an interest in keeping a portion of the country free (American). I'd say the chances of Americans killing Democrats in another war over freedom is very likely right now. Me, I don't live in a heavy blue area. I'm not dumb enough to live in an governed by a bunch of left wing lunatics/idiots. I live in a purple area where a lot of people have the means to protect themselves, their property and the community if necessary. I live in an area where competence matters and incompetence is frowned upon and replaced.

Republicans are taking voting rights away right now. They are oppressing women right now. They are imposing climate breakdown upon us right now. They are not getting vaccinated right now, thus imposing covid upon us. I sure hope we can use our authority to address social inequity, but that depends on whether all Democrats are real Democrats and not Republican wolves in sheep's clothing. And I sure hope we can take as many guns away from you guys as we can. 

Who wins the battle will probably depend on who has the state apparatus. Even then, Trump was unable to get the military to support his coup. He did manage to delay a response, so that an invasion of our capitol was allowed. If Kamala is nominated, then you will have your chance. Succession by blue states will be all but guaranteed then, if your side nominates someone you like. What will the battle look like then? Will you just tell us goodbye and good luck, or will you try to impose your rule and control over the entire country and keep us under your authority? If the reverse happens, and the Democrats nominate a candidate with a better horoscope score than your Party does, and you guys decide to secede, there may not be a fight, and we might just say goodbye and good luck. It does look pretty good for your side if Biden can't get re-elected and hold it together past 2024. The best Democratic candidates now seem too shy to step up, while your side does have some good possibilities.

(09-03-2021, 03:02 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(09-02-2021, 03:26 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(09-02-2021, 12:02 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(09-01-2021, 10:02 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Tom Cotton is scary. If he can be something other than a regional candidate, then I could see him exploiting economic or international distress to get the needed edge. He is not objectionable so far except for ideology... but he might be the perfect vehicle for American fascism. He reminds me of characters leading the vile Norsefire regime in V for Vendetta , which has a fascistic Britain in which the regime offers faith as a substitute for happiness and rationality. That sounds much like the American Religious Right. If America has not graduated away from the near 50-50 split between authoritarians and liberals, then some rough times could cause many independent voters to think that he is onto something --- much like the case in 2016 on behalf of Trump.

 
PB, which group of authoritarians is flexing its muscles and using its power and authority right now. It's not us, we are waiting for moral/legal justification to begin asserting our power and authority right now. Who is imposing social restrictions right now? Who using its power and authority to address social inequity now? Who is banning who right now? Who is targeting who right now? Who is trying to threaten and intimidate who right now? Me, I'm letting you know what's going to happen to a group of partisan twits when the gloves come off. I figure that I'm morally obligated to inform you and the others  in advance. 

Bob and Eric are right, we are authoritarians too. The difference, we don't have an interest in ruling and controlling the entire country. We have an interest in keeping a portion of the country free (American). I'd say the chances of Americans killing Democrats in another war over freedom is very likely right now. Me, I don't live in a heavy blue area. I'm not dumb enough to live in an governed by a bunch of left wing lunatics/idiots. I live in a purple area where a lot of people have the means to protect themselves, their property and the community if necessary. I live in an area where competence matters and incompetence is frowned upon and replaced.

Republicans are taking voting rights away right now. They are oppressing women right now. They are imposing climate breakdown upon us right now. They are not getting vaccinated right now, thus imposing covid upon us. I sure hope we can use our authority to address social inequity, but that depends on whether all Democrats are real Democrats and not Republican wolves in sheep's clothing. And I sure hope we can take as many guns away from you guys as we can. 

Who wins the battle will probably depend on who has the state apparatus. Even then, Trump was unable to get the military to support his coup. He did manage to delay a response, so that an invasion of our capitol was allowed. If Kamala is nominated, then you will have your chance. Succession by blue states will be all but guaranteed then, if your side nominates someone you like. What will the battle look like then? Will you just tell us goodbye and good luck, or will you try to impose your rule and control over the entire country and keep us under your authority? If the reverse happens, and the Democrats nominate a candidate with a better horoscope score than your Party does, and you guys decide to secede, there may not be a fight, and we might just say goodbye and good luck. It does look pretty good for your side if Biden can't get re-elected and hold it together past 2024. The best Democratic candidates now seem too shy to step up, while your side does have some good possibilities.

The Republicans are making it harder for the Democrat's to cheat.  Don't worry, you can offset it by eliminating election laws all together  in the states that are currently  dominated by the Democrats. Do you have a problem with that? I think most of us would be content with goodbye and good riddance at this point. I've heard some rumors that Pelosi may have intentionally delayed the  response too. I mean she's one the one in charge of the Capitol's security. The buck stops with her. You probably don't know that but whatever you're clueless. The way I see it, the way Washington DC is  going, DC isn't going be around long enough to be much of a factor.

(09-09-2021, 06:16 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(08-09-2021, 12:01 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: 10 worst states in the Delta surge. All 10 voted for Trump in 2020, 9 are deep red states. Here are the new daily infections per 100,000 people as of Aug.6 and this Forbes report, and the percent of people vaccinated, in these states.
1. FL 132.2 less than 50%
2. LA 96.6 37.2%
3. OK 79.4 40%
4. AR 69.5 41.8%
5. MS 68.1 34.8%
6. AL 56.6 34.6%
7. MO 48.5 41.8%
8. AK 48.5 45.8%
9. SC 44.7 40.9%
10. TN 40.5 39.4%



https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/08/06/travel-alert-states-high-risk-covid-19-delta-variant

Hard to believe, but Facebook thinks this post, which I put in a comment to an anti-vaxxer, is "hate".

(09-09-2021, 08:04 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Thank you, Eric, for showing one of the most dangerous manifestations of political polarization in in America.

(09-09-2021, 06:16 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(08-09-2021, 12:01 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: 10 worst states in the Delta surge. All 10 voted for Trump in 2020, 9 are deep red states. Here are the new daily infections per 100,000 people as of Aug.6 and this Forbes report, and the percent of people vaccinated, in these states.
1. FL 132.2 less than 50%
2. LA 96.6 37.2%
3. OK 79.4 40%
4. AR 69.5 41.8%
5. MS 68.1 34.8%
6. AL 56.6 34.6%
7. MO 48.5 41.8%
8. AK 48.5 45.8%
9. SC 44.7 40.9%
10. TN 40.5 39.4%



https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/08/06/travel-alert-states-high-risk-covid-19-delta-variant

Hard to believe, but Facebook thinks this post, which I put in a comment to an anti-vaxxer, is "hate".

Did you say something else?

(09-23-2021, 06:45 AM)taramarie Wrote: You know what? The non extremist right wingers have a point. Watch this and i would say watch the whole video before commenting as it is vital to hear a North Korean defector's POV of the state of America and I will say it extends to other countries as well, especially now. It is very important to watch with an open mind and take in her concerns that the country that she is in now, is starting to remind her of where she ran away from. There are the beginnings of a communist regime beginning to take form which concerns her. Now, I am a left winger from New Zealand. But after learning some things along the way through life recently, I am beginning to agree with her, that there are some major issues within the left wing that i listen to not only from New Zealand but especially in the USA and i have friends there and i used to agree with them. Now i consider them in some ways very extremist, and this video will explain why. Now as i do not like cancel culture nor the foolish woke culture, I am open for a discussion on this. I hope our right wingers come back and chime in also as i am very curious to hear from them as well as the left wingers here.

Enjoy this very insightful video.

(09-23-2021, 08:37 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: North Korea is a Hell. The unlikely combination of three of the worst tendencies in history in the last seven hundred years -- Marxism-Leninism, fascist ultra-nationalism (this regime adopts patterns learned from Japanese oppressors before 1945), and absolute monarchy -- make North Korea what it is. If North Korea had had the sort of Christian influence that South Korea has now, then the North Korean government would twist that into something incredibly ugly.

It blames America for everything,,. even if it hasn't been in a full-blown shooting war with the USA for nearly seventy years. For good reason, the excoriations of wartime ideally either disappear or get contrasted with later reality. The people culpable for the Bataan Death March are not to be confused with contemporary Japanese.

I can understand anyone from a former Communist country (Slovakia is an example) despising anything that reeks of Marxist ideology. It's not that people want to return to some feudal past. Marxism-Leninism promised a glorious future for Humanity and turned free people into serfs of a State responsible to Communist Party hacks who themselves become as irresponsible as feudal lords, tycoons, and corporate bureaucrats. Then again, about everyone in Germany  and Austria is an anti-fascist, and there are few Japanese who would get excited at the prospect of becoming a kamikaze pilot.   I love the German and Austrian heritage of musical composition and Japanese aesthetics. I consider Dachau and Bataan horrible and inexcusable... but I know where to place culpability. It isn't with Hokusai or Mozart.

I hope that I am not hypocritical. The USA did horrible things to the First Peoples and did have chattel slavery. We had the dangerous KKK of the 1920's which had many of the characteristics of German and Italian fascists who probably learned a few things about a cause similar to theirs. A KKK-dominated America would have rivaled German, Italian, and Japanese fascists for horrific deeds upon helpless people. All that kept the KKK from doing large-scale genocide like that of the Nazis is that it disintegrated before it had the chance to gain power and impose its perverse will in America.  Wherever we are we all have the ethical obligation to resist evil wherever it turns up. Mistreatment of helpless people is the first mark of the (fascist, Marxist-Leninist, Baathist, or ISIS "beast").

In the last forty years or so, America has treated poor people of any ethnicity badly. Poor blacks often think that "white privilege" is the problem -- but the American economic system oppresses poor white people just as badly as it does poor blacks. Blacks are more likely to have trouble with the legal and penal system -- and that's the difference between White and Black. White people get away with more, especially with drugs and petty crime.

(10-09-2021, 11:43 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(09-23-2021, 08:37 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: North Korea is a Hell. The unlikely combination of three of the worst tendencies in history in the last seven hundred years -- Marxism-Leninism, fascist ultra-nationalism (this regime adopts patterns learned from Japanese oppressors before 1945), and absolute monarchy -- make North Korea what it is. If North Korea had had the sort of Christian influence that South Korea has now, then the North Korean government would twist that into something incredibly ugly.

It blames America for everything,,. even if it hasn't been in a full-blown shooting war with the USA for nearly seventy years. For good reason, the excoriations of wartime ideally either disappear or get contrasted with later reality. The people culpable for the Bataan Death March are not to be confused with contemporary Japanese.

I can understand anyone from a former Communist country (Slovakia is an example) despising anything that reeks of Marxist ideology. It's not that people want to return to some feudal past. Marxism-Leninism promised a glorious future for Humanity and turned free people into serfs of a State responsible to Communist Party hacks who themselves become as irresponsible as feudal lords, tycoons, and corporate bureaucrats. Then again, about everyone in Germany  and Austria is an anti-fascist, and there are few Japanese who would get excited at the prospect of becoming a kamikaze pilot.   I love the German and Austrian heritage of musical composition and Japanese aesthetics. I consider Dachau and Bataan horrible and inexcusable... but I know where to place culpability. It isn't with Hokusai or Mozart.

I hope that I am not hypocritical. The USA did horrible things to the First Peoples and did have chattel slavery. We had the dangerous KKK of the 1920's which had many of the characteristics of German and Italian fascists who probably learned a few things about a cause similar to theirs. A KKK-dominated America would have rivaled German, Italian, and Japanese fascists for horrific deeds upon helpless people. All that kept the KKK from doing large-scale genocide like that of the Nazis is that it disintegrated before it had the chance to gain power and impose its perverse will in America.  Wherever we are we all have the ethical obligation to resist evil wherever it turns up. Mistreatment of helpless people is the first mark of the (fascist, Marxist-Leninist, Baathist, or ISIS "beast").

In the last forty years or so, America has treated poor people of any ethnicity badly. Poor blacks often think that "white privilege" is the problem -- but the American economic system oppresses poor white people just as badly as it does poor blacks. Blacks are more likely to have trouble with the legal and penal system -- and that's the difference between White and Black. White people get away with more, especially with drugs and petty crime.

I treat you bad because you do/say stupid s--- and deserve it. I hope you're not foolish enough to claim that you're a saint at this point. Has anyone ever tried to beat some sense? I suppose beating some sense into someone with Asperger's doesn't work. So, what's the alternative?

(10-09-2021, 10:49 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(09-23-2021, 06:45 AM)taramarie Wrote: You know what? The non extremist right wingers have a point. Watch this and i would say watch the whole video before commenting as it is vital to hear a North Korean defector's POV of the state of America and I will say it extends to other countries as well, especially now. It is very important to watch with an open mind and take in her concerns that the country that she is in now, is starting to remind her of where she ran away from. There are the beginnings of a communist regime beginning to take form which concerns her. Now, I am a left winger from New Zealand. But after learning some things along the way through life recently, I am beginning to agree with her, that there are some major issues within the left wing that i listen to not only from New Zealand but especially in the USA and i have friends there and i used to agree with them. Now i consider them in some ways very extremist, and this video will explain why. Now as i do not like cancel culture nor the foolish woke culture, I am open for a discussion on this. I hope our right wingers come back and chime in also as i am very curious to hear from them as well as the left wingers here.

Enjoy this very insightful video.

You're not telling me anything that I haven't known for many years. I'm glad to see that you've been enlightened (wised up) so to speak. Woke Culture hasn't really tangled with American Culture yet. It's mainly tangling with the American Left right now. I predict that when it does, there will be no Woke survivors. You see, American Cancel Culture is actually more dangerous than them. American Cancel Culture can and will destroy them. ( I'm a product of REAL American Culture). The bulk of the people you see are products of academia or Facebook or Twitter. It didn't take REAL American Culture very long to undermine, weaken and eliminate the quasi socialist regime that controlled the old forum before you began posting. I should know, I played a significant role in it's demise.

Quote:On August 19, 2020, while providing commentary on Fox Sports Ohio, for the first game of an away doubleheader between the Reds and the Kansas City Royals, Brennaman was caught on a hot mic referring to an undisclosed location as "one of the fag capitals of the world."[4][5] The Reds pulled him off the air during the second game, with studio host Jim Day taking over play-by-play after the top of the fifth inning. Before leaving the booth, Brennaman apologized for his earlier anti-gay slur, saying that he was "deeply ashamed" if he "hurt anyone out there." He also hinted that his broadcasting future was in doubt, saying, "I don't know if I'm going to be putting on this headset again."[6][7]

Many people noted the awkwardness of the apology; as a red-faced Brennaman rushed to inform viewers that "I pride myself and think of myself as a man of faith", he suddenly paused to call a home run by Nick Castellanos.[8] He went on to state that he apologizes to "the people who sign my paycheck", and asserted, "That is not who I am, and never has been. And I'd like to think that maybe I could have some people that, uh, that could back that up." Many social media users remarked that these were extremely unusual and strange comments to make during a baseball game, and suggested that Brennaman should not have chosen to make an on-air apology at all, rather than spontaneously trying to come up with something off the cuff that made his situation even worse.
Later that night, the Reds announced that Brennaman had been suspended indefinitely pending an internal review.[6] The following day, Fox Sports announced that Brennaman would not be part of its NFL broadcast roster in 2020.[9]

Brennaman wrote a longer apology for The Cincinnati Enquirer the next day, after speaking to openly gay MLB inclusion ambassador Billy Bean. He also called WCPO-TV anchor Evan Millward, who posted an editorial on his station's website criticizing his FS Ohio statement as a non-apology apology, and said he would reach out to the LGBTQ+ organization PFLAG to make further amends.[10][11] Almost a month later, Brennaman officially resigned from the Reds and Fox Sports Ohio.[12] However, the Reds had already informed Brennaman that he would not return for the 2021 season. Brennaman himself told USA Today that he realized his remark "hurt a lot of people" and that he will "have to live with it for the rest of my life."[13]

Brennaman was replaced by John Sadak for Reds games, and Kevin Kugler for NFL games on Fox.