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(02-21-2021, 02:51 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (02-19-2021, 05:23 AM). pbrower2a Wrote: (02-17-2021, 03:56 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (02-17-2021, 01:01 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (02-15-2021, 07:50 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I learned that about you a long time ago dude. I told you a long time ago that if push ever came to shove that you were dead meat, Well, we are are almost there now that we're on a faster track so to speak. I figure your side (Democratic side) has about four years (maybe less) to mess up Washington DC beyond fixing at this point. After that, anything goes (no holds barred) pertaining to the Democratic side and winning the next war for American independence that follows is all that's going to matter at that point.
Your side will certainly have an advantage in the war if the Democrats nominate a candidate with a 3-17 horoscope score.
We already have the advantage in a war. Your current political advantage isn't going to matter in a war with America.
I don't see America on the brink of a civil war. Why do you, Classic X'er? Have you been reading The Turner Diaries again?
That doesn't surprise me. Ignorant and arrogant people don't see what's coming until it's to late. Why do I? I guess that's for me to know now and for you to find out as it happens. Eric and I are on the same page.
You, Classic X'er, come off as ignorant and arrogant. Your side wanted to nullify a free and fair election because you could not imagine people other than yourselves thinking other than what you believe unless stupid and deluded. I know the demographics of the vote. I saw a portent of a big loss for Donald Trump in the 2018 midterm elections. He had plenty of problems to solve, but not enough time or political acumen in which to solve enough of them. He solved the political problem of rural dissent about a trade war in which China reduced purchases of American farm products ... by throwing money at farmers through crop subsidies. So he bought the farm vote with the Treasury. Cuban-Americans started concerning themselves with local concerns that had been working on behalf of Democrats, so his campaign smeared Joe Biden with allegations that he was soft on Castro.
Real Americans -- which includes people who do not share your skin color, your culture, and your way of faith in God -- accept that we elect our President, our Congressional Representatives, our state legislators, and others. We do not depend upon coups and Putsches on the assumption that our (or your) side is right.
The same means that elected Donald Trump in 2016 got Joe Biden elected in 2020. You may have been distressed to see what looked like a win for your idol on the basis of early results dissipate as votes against him got counted last. In such states it was the absentee and early votes that got counted last. I voted in September rather than voting on Election Day as I used to so that I could avoid the deadly stalker nicknamed "Rona". You know, CoRONAvirus-19.
Don't give me this nonsense about "Seventy-four million voters' voice was unheeded". The Presidency is not a power-sharing arrangement. Eighty-million people voted against him, and this time in a distribution closer to one in which those eighty-one million people didn't simply run up the vote totals in California, New York, and a few other ultra-liberal states.
Oh, by the way... I got my first injection of a vaccine against COVID-19 on Wednesday. I have had some scary backaches. If you know what backaches should scare anyone my age about... I apparently had been careful about the Plague of Donald Trump. So far I have no complaint about the administration of the vaccine. President Biden treats COVID-19 as a dangerous enemy as if we were in a war.
I got my injection from a soldier. Joe Biden treats COVID-19 that seriously. COVID-19 does not occupy territory; it occupies bodies and kills.
Much that you say has unambiguous refutation in K-12 civics classes. I paid attention in those and learned a few things. You? I am not so sure.
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(02-20-2021, 12:18 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I do see the Second as having room for a decent compromise if both sides were willing to compromise. That won’t happen as long as the blues cling to what is left of the Jim Crow precedents, and the reds cling to the original meaning of the Second. A new Second with a guaranteed individual right to keep and bear civilian arms with a clear definition of the difference between a civilian and military arm could be written, but it doesn’t have a chance as long as both sides hope for their extreme points of view.
Is there justification for a Constitutional right to bear arms today? I fail to see it myself. Nations that take this issue much more seriously than we do have much lower levels of firearm violence. We don't need to have them banned to have them under reasonable control. We take automobiles much more seriously, and they are the backbone of our mobility. Firearms are of much less utility, yet we place them in a protected class. It's nonsense on stilts.
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(02-21-2021, 08:44 AM)David Horn Wrote: (02-20-2021, 12:18 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I do see the Second as having room for a decent compromise if both sides were willing to compromise. That won’t happen as long as the blues cling to what is left of the Jim Crow precedents, and the reds cling to the original meaning of the Second. A new Second with a guaranteed individual right to keep and bear civilian arms with a clear definition of the difference between a civilian and military arm could be written, but it doesn’t have a chance as long as both sides hope for their extreme points of view.
Is there justification for a Constitutional right to bear arms today? I fail to see it myself. Nations that take this issue much more seriously than we do have much lower levels of firearm violence. We don't need to have them banned to have them under reasonable control. We take automobiles much more seriously, and they are the backbone of our mobility. Firearms are of much less utility, yet we place them in a protected class. It's nonsense on stilts.
Spoken like a true urbanite. Locking onto the local culture. Refusing to respect the other. Stagnate if you will.
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(02-21-2021, 11:06 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: (02-21-2021, 08:44 AM)David Horn Wrote: (02-20-2021, 12:18 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I do see the Second as having room for a decent compromise if both sides were willing to compromise. That won’t happen as long as the blues cling to what is left of the Jim Crow precedents, and the reds cling to the original meaning of the Second. A new Second with a guaranteed individual right to keep and bear civilian arms with a clear definition of the difference between a civilian and military arm could be written, but it doesn’t have a chance as long as both sides hope for their extreme points of view.
Is there justification for a Constitutional right to bear arms today? I fail to see it myself. Nations that take this issue much more seriously than we do have much lower levels of firearm violence. We don't need to have them banned to have them under reasonable control. We take automobiles much more seriously, and they are the backbone of our mobility. Firearms are of much less utility, yet we place them in a protected class. It's nonsense on stilts.
Spoken like a true urbanite. Locking onto the local culture. Refusing to respect the other. Stagnate if you will.
FWIW, we have deer stands within a mile of my residence. My next door neighbor is a taxidermist. I'm far from the city here, and I've lived here for 20 years. It's not my first rodeo.
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(02-21-2021, 08:44 AM)David Horn Wrote: (02-20-2021, 12:18 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I do see the Second as having room for a decent compromise if both sides were willing to compromise. That won’t happen as long as the blues cling to what is left of the Jim Crow precedents, and the reds cling to the original meaning of the Second. A new Second with a guaranteed individual right to keep and bear civilian arms with a clear definition of the difference between a civilian and military arm could be written, but it doesn’t have a chance as long as both sides hope for their extreme points of view.
Is there justification for a Constitutional right to bear arms today? I fail to see it myself. Nations that take this issue much more seriously than we do have much lower levels of firearm violence. We don't need to have them banned to have them under reasonable control. We take automobiles much more seriously, and they are the backbone of our mobility. Firearms are of much less utility, yet we place them in a protected class. It's nonsense on stilts.
Well said, David.
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(02-20-2021, 12:18 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: (02-20-2021, 09:42 AM)David Horn Wrote: I see a put-up-or-shut-up effort building. It's obvious that we have a nascent anarchist movement in this country, that has no problem using firearms to make its point. We also have a SCOTUS tilted as far right as the one from the late 19th century. Someone will get a case in front of them that will force them to settle the issue of just how much the right to bear arms allows. Depending on the result, it will be game-on, with the losing ideology turning up the heat on the issue. My guess: the right will be expanded a lot, and the already growing majority opposing that POV will finally organize to change it. Successfully? TBD.
I suspect there is a put-up-or-shut-up effort pending, but I see it with a different twist.
The movement is not anarchist so much as racist. The reds are not so much against rights or democracy as much as they are against minorities having rights and a minority dominant democracy. They are used to being ever so privileged.
I agree SCOTUS is learning hard right, but do not think they will go as far as nullifying the Bill of Rights as the Jim Crow SCOTUS did. I would not be surprised by a ‘standard model’ case ruling something totally unacceptable to the blues and the blues giving up on the Jim Crow presidents to negotiate a compromise. Among other things, they could redefine who is in the militia then regulate the heck out of the militia. In combination with the red belief in the original meaning of the Second, this would escalate things to a point that there might be real talk.
I do see the Second as having room for a decent compromise if both sides were willing to compromise. That won’t happen as long as the blues cling to what is left of the Jim Crow precedents, and the reds cling to the original meaning of the Second. A new Second with a guaranteed individual right to keep and bear civilian arms with a clear definition of the difference between a civilian and military arm could be written, but it doesn’t have a chance as long as both sides hope for their extreme points of view.
I agree such a compromise is the best we can hope for in the short run. Even that would require a big defeat for the Republican Party. That does not mean I give up on my more-extreme hope. Americans just need to start becoming a more-advanced people again, instead of behind the rest of the world, as we have fallen in the neo-liberal era. Until that happens we will be stuck on the gun issue, and a lot else besides.
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(02-19-2021, 08:00 PM)ve pbrower2a pid= Wrote: (02-19-2021, 11:31 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (02-18-2021, 04:10 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (02-17-2021, 04:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (02-17-2021, 02:46 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: How bot-like of you!
What? You're a racist too. So, when did the Democratic switch from race not mattering to race mattering to everyone and everything and mattering more than anything else? I know some people make lots of money off third world politics these days. I mean, look at the Obama's, Biden's and Clinton's. Who would have ever thought that public service and political careers associated with the Democratic party could end up being so lucrative these days.
What have I said that indicates that I am a racist? Character is everything, and race is among the most superficial aspects of human existence, relevant only for genetic matches for medicines and transplants. On other matters, race is a construct that does more to befuddle us than to inform us. Unless you are discussing genetics and its consequences or the consequences of racism in economics and sociology you have no standing in discussing race.
I have plenty of bad things to say about white people of suspect character... but that is not anti-white racism. What 'racial' category do you think I am in?
You are the one who used an extremely misogynic word about the Speaker of the House. I'm not repeating a word more likely to be used in pornography or in vile curses. You have shown your gross contempt for a high-achieving woman. Women are capable of achieving anything that men can do except in some athletic activities.
You've never heard a woman call another woman a cunt. I've called a woman a cunt and Ive had women agree with me. I've also agreed with women who called another woman a cunt. I get the impression that you are not up to speed with the times.
I have assumed that you are a man, and not a woman. Someone who used to post here a lot, who claimed to be black (I' took his word for it) claimed that he could make a distinction between most black people and... people that he describes with a word that rhymes with "trigger". For some reason I cannot get away with using that word. On the other side, there are certain words that I do not use for describing certain white people even if I could get away with it. Those words hurt. OK, if I use the word bitch... she barks and has or originally has the potential to give birth to puppies. I also know enough to not mess with the puppies should she see a need to protect them.
OK, I do not use profanity here except in minced forms. I can usually think of alternatives, and it is a good habit to say "foul up" instead of "f--k up"
We can say the word that Kinser said, we just can't use it as a general term and apply it to all black people these days. Foul up doesn't have the edge to get a point across and wake up and sink it into the head of some moron like fuck up does these days. Bad words only hurt if the words aren't true. Calling me racist, fascist, fag, murderer, thief, misogynist or stupid doesn't hurt me because none of them apply but it could hurt whoever is doing because it does antagonize, aggravate, anger and turn other people off. BTW, that's what you, the Left, the Democratic party, a small portion of the GOP and the Biden administration are doing right now when they should be focused on doing what's necessary to keep a country together right now vs moving back to business as usual (I mean opening borders for illegals during a national/global pandemic is really dumb). I think it's time to let go of Washington DC and leave it for the vultures to pick clean myself. I think America deserves better myself. As far as the GOP, the GOP has a choice to remain free or be controlled and picked on and dictated to by the Democrats for the rest of their lives. As I've mentioned before, I don't care about the future of the GOP establishment anymore than I care about the future of the Democratic party at this point and I think that holds true for the 70 some million who voted for Trump which amounts to about half the country today. Fuck them.
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Classic, do you think the refugees no longer forced to wait forever outside the door are NOT getting tested for covid? I agree that travel should be shut off or restricted during the pandemic to those who pass the test, from travel to the USA, and to and from everywhere these days. But those who think Biden is "opening the borders" just want to return to the vicarious thrill of immense cruelty afflicted on those they fear. Biden is just restoring sanity, which is what he is doing across the board. The USA has a decision to make, to restore and build back better, or return to abject cruelty and regression. Your Trump crowd are insane, and that is not the true America. It is an aberration we have not seen since Dixie days and the following years of Jim Crow and the KKK. Fascism is a mild word for it.
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(02-21-2021, 04:12 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: We can say the word that Kinser said, we just can't use it as a general term and apply it to all black people these days. Foul up doesn't have the edge to get a point across and wake up and sink it into the head of some moron like fuck up does these days. Bad words only hurt if the words aren't true. Calling me racist, fascist, fag, murderer, thief, misogynist or stupid doesn't hurt me because none of them apply but it could hurt whoever is doing because it does antagonize, aggravate, anger and turn other people off. BTW, that's what you, the Left, the Democratic party, a small portion of the GOP and the Biden administration are doing right now when they should be focused on doing what's necessary to keep a country together right now vs moving back to business as usual (I mean opening borders for illegals during a national/global pandemic is really dumb). I think it's time to let go of Washington DC and leave it for the vultures to pick clean myself. I think America deserves better myself. As far as the GOP, the GOP has a choice to remain free or be controlled and picked on and dictated to by the Democrats for the rest of their lives. As I've mentioned before, I don't care about the future of the GOP establishment anymore than I care about the future of the Democratic party at this point and I think that holds true for the 70 some million who voted for Trump which amounts to about half the country today. Fuck them.
Closing down DC when we have finally managed a regeneracy would not be smart. Through the unravelling the Republicans have resisted solving problems. We finally are doing so. Curing the bug, restoring the economy, reducing racism, environmental responsibility and ending the violence are all worth doing. Going with a party that is not doing any of that is a lose.
Counting on violence as the solution doesn’t seem to work as the powers that be know violence is the last resort and give just enough ground to avoid violence. Having it threatened, having it lurking as an almost possibility is plausible and almost beneficial. I sometimes wonder if MLK’s approach worked because Malcom X was lurking in the background. Similarly, FDR's New Deal got barely enough support from the powers that be because if the New Deal didn't work, the next chapter might have been communist. But, ultimately those obsessed with violence are stuck in a supporting role. Insurrection, revolution and civil war are an Industrial Age thing.
I sort of agree that the GOP is heading for a mess with the racist, elitist and true conservatives unable to hold the unraveling alliance together. Of the three, the true conservatives are least viable right now but most viable in the very long term. The other two can have great joy with one another. As is Black Lives Matter and the capitol insurrection have shaken the racist faction. They cannot win an election, while no one else in most places can win a Republican primary. Some are very committed to the racist perspective, far more than they are loyal to the Republican Party. The Republicans are almost blackmailed into following the votes. They switched from Democrats being the party of the rural and south to the Republicans with the Southern Strategy. They will leave the GOP just as easily if the remnants does not cling to them. If they do, they lose.
I do think the names you mentioned might apply to Trump and McConnell’s fans, if less so to you personally. I agree the name calling generally does little good. Values are not changed that way. Most are too tightly bound to their worldviews, which is not the same as being stupid. An easy mistake to make if you have the opposite worldview, and at times nigh on unavoidable.
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(02-21-2021, 04:12 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: We can say the word that Kinser said, we just can't use it as a general term and apply it to all black people these days.
See also some other ethnic and religious slurs.
Quote:Foul up doesn't have the edge to get a point across and wake up and sink it into the head of some moron like fuck up does these days.
Anyone who does not know what the words "foul up" mean who does not have the excuse of a lack of command of the English language probably is a moron.
Quote:Bad words only hurt if the words aren't true.
No, they are vile and pointless except perhaps for reportage (as in the Klansman says that n---ers drag down this glorious nation). If said in anger they are trouble, whether or not the fit the person. If someone tells me that he wishes that Hitler had put my grandparents in the gas chambers, does it make me feel any safer because I am not Jewish? If someone threatens to beat me for being gay, does it matter that I am not gay?
Quote:Calling me racist, fascist, fag, murderer, thief, misogynist or stupid doesn't hurt me because none of them apply but it could hurt whoever is doing because it does antagonize, aggravate, anger and turn other people off.
You have some fascist traits, and you definitely are a misogynist. You align yourself with people that I would not trust with my civil liberties. You did use a nasty word for a women.
Quote:BTW, that's what you, the Left, the Democratic party, a small portion of the GOP and the Biden administration are doing right now when they should be focused on doing what's necessary to keep a country together right now vs moving back to business as usual (I mean opening borders for illegals during a national/global pandemic is really dumb).
Agribusiness needs those alien laborers to keep the harvest going and much of the food processed.
Quote:I think it's time to let go of Washington DC and leave it for the vultures to pick clean myself.
Some other city would become the center of American government. That would be a huge improvement for the large city closest to the population center of the United States (St. Louis, Missouri).
Quote:I think America deserves better myself. As far as the GOP, the GOP has a choice to remain free or be controlled and picked on and dictated to by the Democrats for the rest of their lives.
Hogwash! The Republican Party needs to divest itself of the hucksters, extremists, authoritarians, conspiracy theorists, racists, religious bigots, and pushers of superstition lest it lose relevance.
Quote:As I've mentioned before, I don't care about the future of the GOP establishment anymore than I care about the future of the Democratic party at this point and I think that holds true for the 70 some million who voted for Trump which amounts to about half the country today. ---- them.
81 million popular votes and 306 electoral votes for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are the half that count this time.
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YouTube seems to have a search engine going for videos one would like to watch. One recently came up which was an old MSNBC Rachel Maddows piece done some time after the Charlottesville attacks. It seems that some time ago, when we still had lynchings, the went beyond criminal cases to civil suits, and beyond the individuals who committed racial terror to the organizations that such people belonged to.
The first such case involved members of the KKK. The family of the murdered man got 7 million, and basically eliminated one branch of the KKK. The KKK didn’t have the 7 million. Their headquarters, any donations, property of the members, wages of the members, all went against the 7 million. A string of such cases was thrown up by various victim families which took out various white supremacy organizations.
Rachel ended with Charlottesville and the conjecture that the Trump / Barr ‘justice’ department would not push this sort of action.
But these days one starts wondering about the January Sixth insurrection. Could one or more Capitol Police bring civil suits against the Oath-keepers, Proud Boys or Trump? If individuals and organizations did harm, are they responsible for it?
Another chapter in the upcoming litigation.
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With one of Einzige's recent posts, once again he brought everything back to capitol. That got me thinking. His perspective is that one thing, capitol, drives everything else. This seems simplistic. I came to wonder how many other one thing perspectives are there. I came up with military balance of power, racism, industrial development, and my own triplet of turnings, civilizations and ages. You can come up, perhaps, with ways of looking at history and human development as if that one thing is so prominent as to cast shade on each of the others.
History is complex. If you focus on one thing to the exclusion of all others you are ignoring much. It doesn’t matter what the one thing is, you are limiting yourself.
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(02-22-2021, 04:17 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: With one of Engize’s recent posts, once again he brought everything back to capitol. That got me thinking. His perspective is that one thing, capitol, drives everything else. This seems simplistic. I came to wonder how many other one thing perspectives are there. I came up with military balance of power, racism, industrial development, and my own triplet of turnings, civilizations and ages. You can come up, perhaps, with ways of looking at history and human development as if that one thing is so prominent as to case shade on each of the others.
History is complex. If you focus on one thing to the exclusion of all others you are ignoring much. It doesn’t matter what the one thing is, you are limiting yourself.
Capitol is more than money. It is a *social relation which vaporizes itself and reproduces itself*. Once this is understood, the role it plays in underlying all other social relationships becomes far clearer.
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(02-22-2021, 05:02 AM)Einzige Wrote: Capitol is more than money. It is a *social relation which vaporizes itself and reproduces itself*. Once this is understood, the role it plays in underlying all other social relationships becomes far clearer.
Capitol is one of many facets of human life and history. The more you focus on one thing, the more clueless you become on the others.
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(02-22-2021, 05:02 AM)Einzige Wrote: (02-22-2021, 04:17 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: With one of Engize’s recent posts, once again he brought everything back to capitol. That got me thinking. His perspective is that one thing, capitol, drives everything else. This seems simplistic. I came to wonder how many other one thing perspectives are there. I came up with military balance of power, racism, industrial development, and my own triplet of turnings, civilizations and ages. You can come up, perhaps, with ways of looking at history and human development as if that one thing is so prominent as to case shade on each of the others.
History is complex. If you focus on one thing to the exclusion of all others you are ignoring much. It doesn’t matter what the one thing is, you are limiting yourself.
Capitol is more than money. It is a *social relation which vaporizes itself and reproduces itself*. Once this is understood, the role it plays in underlying all other social relationships becomes far clearer.
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This is money, but it is worthless except for its value as scrap paper.
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Money is a way of valuing other things from what used to be penny candies to military aircraft, tracts of valuable real estate, and of course going-concern businesses in buy-outs. Rarely valuable in itself (as in coin collecting or note collecting), money simply represents value. Roughly speaking, its value is what one can get with it. North Korean currency isn't worth much. A report by defectors from North Korea claimed that the black market rate was ₩570 to the Chinese yuan (or about ₩4,000 per U.S. dollar) in June 2009. The BBC reported in 2009 that in some department stores in Pyongyang, the North Korean won is not accepted; the stores only take Japanese yen and U.S. dollars.[46]
Quote:More recent official rates have shown the North Korean won (as of 27 August 2020) to be ₩900.015 to the US dollar.[9] However, rampant inflation has been eroding the North Korean won value. A report by defectors from North Korea claimed that the black market rate was ₩570 to the Chinese yuan (or about ₩4,000 per U.S. dollar) in June 2009
As of 2018, most stores in North Korea take U.S. dollars, euros and Chinese yuan/renminbi. Since more renminbi and U.S. dollars are brought into the country than euros, change from transactions is primarily returned in renminbi or U.S. dollars.
The North Korean won is a prime example of a soft currency. North Korea doesn't have much to offer that people outside of that Hell want. North Korea does print counterfeit US currency that is valuable for a short time in the local black market.
....Money is a valuation. It can value something desirable, like an original Picasso, or something questionable as a commodity such as slaves or street heroin. North Korea deals heavily in sleazy commodities; South Korea doesn't. The People's Republic of China, which arguably more capitalist than most countries in Europe, is going to great lengths to suppress drugs and other such questionable commodities. South Korea is one of the biggest trading partners with the PRC, and North Korea isn't.
Capital, except as unusual skill, is not human (the exception being slaves, and few people recognize the validity of such "capital"). It is what can make something more valuable. Whether one is in a capitalist or a socialist economy, the production of desirable objects and many services depends upon capital, whether infrastructure, machinery, or human skill. The fault that you see in our capitalist system is not with the non-human machinery; it is with the owners and bosses.
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(02-22-2021, 04:17 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: With one of Einzige's recent posts, once again he brought everything back to capitol. That got me thinking. His perspective is that one thing, capitol, drives everything else. This seems simplistic. I came to wonder how many other one thing perspectives are there. I came up with military balance of power, racism, industrial development, and my own triplet of turnings, civilizations and ages. You can come up, perhaps, with ways of looking at history and human development as if that one thing is so prominent as to case shade on each of the others.
History is complex. If you focus on one thing to the exclusion of all others you are ignoring much. It doesn’t matter what the one thing is, you are limiting yourself.
Let's call your idea 20/20 tunnel vision: you see perfectly what you see, but nothing else. We all fall into that trap from time to time. Some of us live there 24/7.   
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Discussing capitalism with Einzige on the partisan divide page. Does that mean Marxism is one side of the divide now? (I know the Republicans and Classic Xer say so.....)
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(02-22-2021, 09:10 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Discussing capitalism with Einzige on the partisan divide page. Does that mean Marxism is one side of the divide now? (I know the Republicans and Classic Xer say so.....)
Communism is - slowly - becoming a power unto itself again, against both capitalist liberalism and conservatism.
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(02-22-2021, 09:15 PM)Einzige Wrote: (02-22-2021, 09:10 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Discussing capitalism with Einzige on the partisan divide page. Does that mean Marxism is one side of the divide now? (I know the Republicans and Classic Xer say so.....)
Communism is - slowly - becoming a power unto itself again, against both capitalist liberalism and conservatism.
This is much like the language that one would expect in a Klavern in which the people in some super-exclusive, but intellectually-depraved club speak about the revival of their cause as an inevitability, with the rest of Humanity not yet catching on.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
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(02-21-2021, 05:26 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (02-21-2021, 04:12 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: We can say the word that Kinser said, we just can't use it as a general term and apply it to all black people these days.
See also some other ethnic and religious slurs.
Quote:Foul up doesn't have the edge to get a point across and wake up and sink it into the head of some moron like fuck up does these days.
Anyone who does not know what the words "foul up" mean who does not have the excuse of a lack of command of the English language probably is a moron.
Quote:Bad words only hurt if the words aren't true.
No, they are vile and pointless except perhaps for reportage (as in the Klansman says that n---ers drag down this glorious nation). If said in anger they are trouble, whether or not the fit the person. If someone tells me that he wishes that Hitler had put my grandparents in the gas chambers, does it make me feel any safer because I am not Jewish? If someone threatens to beat me for being gay, does it matter that I am not gay?
Quote:Calling me racist, fascist, fag, murderer, thief, misogynist or stupid doesn't hurt me because none of them apply but it could hurt whoever is doing because it does antagonize, aggravate, anger and turn other people off.
You have some fascist traits, and you definitely are a misogynist. You align yourself with people that I would not trust with my civil liberties. You did use a nasty word for a women.
Quote:BTW, that's what you, the Left, the Democratic party, a small portion of the GOP and the Biden administration are doing right now when they should be focused on doing what's necessary to keep a country together right now vs moving back to business as usual (I mean opening borders for illegals during a national/global pandemic is really dumb).
Agribusiness needs those alien laborers to keep the harvest going and much of the food processed.
Quote:I think it's time to let go of Washington DC and leave it for the vultures to pick clean myself.
Some other city would become the center of American government. That would be a huge improvement for the large city closest to the population center of the United States (St. Louis, Missouri).
Quote:I think America deserves better myself. As far as the GOP, the GOP has a choice to remain free or be controlled and picked on and dictated to by the Democrats for the rest of their lives.
Hogwash! The Republican Party needs to divest itself of the hucksters, extremists, authoritarians, conspiracy theorists, racists, religious bigots, and pushers of superstition lest it lose relevance.
Quote:As I've mentioned before, I don't care about the future of the GOP establishment anymore than I care about the future of the Democratic party at this point and I think that holds true for the 70 some million who voted for Trump which amounts to about half the country today. ---- them.
81 million popular votes and 306 electoral votes for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are the half that count this time.
I hang around with to many women and do business with to many women and I have to many women for friends for me to be a misogynist as you say. You fucked up about that with me once before and the woman involved corrected you. You're a direct threat to my civil rights and you better figure out a way to live in a free society and learn how to cope before you end up getting yourself hurt for abusing your special protections or end up losing them altogether or losing something else of significant value because of it. Dude, I've read what you said about people that you don't know, I've read what you have said about me that isn't true like the protected partisan piece of shit Democratic supporter still tend to do without thinking about it or thinking about what could happen to them for being stupid these days.
The Democratic party needs to divest itself of pieces of shit like you and all pieces of shit we seen last summer and all the pieces of shit we see walking around our streets and all the pieces of shit we see trying to jack our cars and all the pieces of shit that illegally entered our country and all the pieces of shit who represent the pieces of shit in congress and the pieces of shit who would go along with anything to make themselves wealthier and the pieces of shit who lie to each other and lie about just about everything for a living. The chances of that happening are none because that's all they've got and all they attract and all they know how to do and all that keeps them in the game. Dude, we are going to turn Democrat into a really bad word that's equal to cunt or fuck by the time this stint of Democratic rule is over. You better find a place to hide.
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