11-02-2016, 06:58 PM
(11-02-2016, 12:19 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:(11-02-2016, 09:26 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(11-02-2016, 05:14 AM)taramarie Wrote: NZ is Christian majority but secular. We separate politics and religion. So to try to imagine my reaction to this religion/politics mesh would include a foreigner who is unimpressed. The two should not mix. I hear many kiwi's who are religious yet confused as to why America cannot separate the two. I believe places like Iraq behave in the same manner when it comes to mixing religion and politics so see why i am not impressed at all.
" Voting for the government to enforce God's will is natural and proper. To do otherwise might be judged as sin." <--- how disgusting.
I of course am in sympathy. I did however stumble across an expression of the other point of view.
Ku Klux Klan Wrote:"Make America Great Again!' It is a slogan that has been repeatedly used by Donald Trump in his campaign for the presidency," Robb wrote. "You can see it on the shirts, buttons, posters and ball caps such as the one being worn here by Trump speaking at a recent rally ... But can it happen? Can America really be great again? This is what we will soon find out!"
He continued: "While Trump wants to make America great again, we have to ask ourselves, 'What made America great in the first place?' The short answer to that is simple: America was great not because of what our forefathers did -- but because of who our forefathers were. America was founded as a White Christian Republic. And as a White Christian Republic it became great."
LOL @ "White Christian Republic" when in reality, early immigrants, having a way higher male than female population, naturally procreated with the native population, immediately bringing into existence the North American version of Los Mestizos. Meanwhile, over at the Plantation, you had the small groups of Whites (or were they already a type of Mestizo, especially after a couple of generations?) with many Black African slaves. And of course, the procreation on that front was also destined to occur. Any White Nationalists found guilty of crimes should be forced to do 23-and-me as part of their rehabilitation.
...more specifically, a white Protestant, pre-industrial republic. America didn't even have a large Catholic minority while it worked out and ratified the Constitution. The large Catholic population did not appear in America until the 1840s with the annexation of what had been the northern part of Mexico and with the mass immigration of Irish and German Catholics.
America was also pre-industrial, a land of yeoman farmers in the North and slave-owning planters in the South. The Christian part of the American political heritage is suspect. Except that they accepted chattel slavery, the Founding Fathers might as well have been Jewish.
Although having some obscure First Peoples origin was rarely a big problem for anyone, African ancestry had to be diluted heavily to be harmless to one's image. Of course, now that there is a large and successful black middle class...
White racists love to call attention to the violent black criminal element, but that element does little miscegenation. The black middle class and working class do. That is the real threat to white 'purity' in America. A few generations of dilution can hide Asian and Mestizo ancestry. African ancestry takes more dilution.
...How do I know that I have no sub-Saharan ancestry? I don't. I do genealogy, and I find that while all lines are unambiguously white and connect to Britain, Germany, the Netherlands, France, or Scandinavia, at least two are suspect for not being traceable beyond the 1820s; the surnames are "Gibson" and "Leonard", both of which are known to have had some possibility of African lineage. It's not that I have some ancestor with a very common surname like "Jones" or "Smith" that can get confusing; it's that there is much secrecy about the Leonard and Gibson lines.
I will own up to it should I ever do one of those genetic tests. I have ancestors with dark curly hair, and sepia photos are good for concealing sepia skin tones. I'm not saying that such happened.
Oh, yes -- to Hell with the Klan. We have plenty of non-white people around to refute racist stereotypes. Also to people who have much the same bigotry as Nazis --
LONG LIVE THE JEWS!!!
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.