Those people in the upper midwest

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(11-16-2016, 04:47 PM)radind Wrote:

(11-16-2016, 04:07 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: From the Harvard Business Review:

   One little-known element of [the class culture] gap is that the white working class resents professionals but admires the rich. Class migrants (white-collar professionals born to blue-collar families) report that “professional people were generally suspect” and that managers are college kids “who don’t know shit about how to do anything but are full of ideas about how I have to do my job,” said Alfred Lubrano in Limbo. Barbara Ehrenreich recalled in 1990 that her blue-collar dad “could not say the word doctor without the virtual prefix quack. Lawyers were shysters… and professors were without exception phonies.” Annette Lareau found tremendous resentment against teachers, who were perceived as condescending and unhelpful.

   Michèle Lamont, in The Dignity of Working Men, also found resentment of professionals — but not of the rich. “ can’t knock anyone for succeeding,” a laborer told her. “There’s a lot of people out there who are wealthy and I’m sure they worked darned hard for every cent they have,” chimed in a receiving clerk. Why the difference? For one thing, most blue-collar workers have little direct contact with the rich outside of Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. But professionals order them around every day. The dream is not to become upper-middle-class, with its different food, family, and friendship patterns; the dream is to live in your own class milieu, where you feel comfortable — just with more money. “The main thing is to be independent and give your own orders and not have to take them from anybody else,” a machine operator told Lamont. Owning one’s own business — that’s the goal. That’s another part of Trump’s appeal.

https://hbr.org/2016/11/what-so-many-peo...king-class

Suggest that everyone read the entire article.

https://hbr.org/2016/11/what-so-many-peo...king-class

Quote:… "Hillary Clinton, by contrast, epitomizes the dorky arrogance and smugness of the professional elite. The dorkiness: the pantsuits. The arrogance: the email server. The smugness: the basket of deplorables. Worse, her mere presence rubs it in that even women from her class can treat working-class men with disrespect. Look at how she condescends to Trump as unfit to hold the office of the presidency and dismisses his supporters as racist, sexist, homophobic, or xenophobic.”…

Exactly Radind, and that only serves to better support the point I was making, and that Pbrower2a elaborates on.  The problem is not simply red or blue, Trump or Clinton.  The problem is ignorance and cognitive dissonance among the under educated, traditionally white working class, and particularly rural population.  They don't trust their children, who went to college and became professionals, but they admire the uberrich and wish to identify with them, and even recite the rags to riches gospel............not recognizing that getting a freaking education and a professional job is generally the best first step to said ends.

I hear a lot of the "small business is the backbone of the American economy" speech whenever politics comes up at the breakfast spot or barber shop.  Really?  Come on people.  This economy is not built on chimney sweeps (got one coming out tomorrow) or landscapers and carpenters who also install furnaces.  Really we all know that mid-sized corporations are the heart of the American economy.  Get real.  A human resources person once told me, For chrissake, fully half of the so called self-employed are self-employed because they don't have the skills to get good jobs, or the personality to keep them!"  

When you crack open the minds of the employees, managers and owners of mid-sized corporations, you will find a nearly 50/50 split Red and Blue.



Things going to flip yet again.  I cant say it will go back to the good old fashion Democrat blue of days gone by (and personally I hope it doesn't) but it will flip away from the Christian Taliban, and it will flip away from the "we need to make things" rant that comes from the 50's something unemployed mill worker who cant seem to understand how Windows 10 works and why computers are so important.  With any luck we will see an eruption of the center.