Those people in the upper midwest

[Skabungus]

(11-16-2016, 06:55 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(11-16-2016, 06:02 PM)Skabungus Wrote:

(11-16-2016, 05:32 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

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… "Hillary Clinton, by contrast, epitomizes the dorky arrogance and smugness of the professional elite. The dorkiness: the pantsuits. The arrogance: the email server. The smugness: the basket of deplorables. Worse, her mere presence rubs it in that even women from her class can treat working-class men with disrespect. Look at how she condescends to Trump as unfit to hold the office of the presidency and dismisses his supporters as racist, sexist, homophobic, or xenophobic.”…

Quite ludicrous, on the whole. It's too bad heartland voters judge candidates on mere appearances, like pantsuits. It's smug to wear pantsuits? Or dorky? This is evidence that Trump voters decided on the basis of style, not substance. Americans often do. But this takes the cake; they chose a reality-TV con man.

The "arrogance?" the email server? So, judge someone arrogant because you fall for a whole bunch of dumb propaganda about a minor issue, when the arrogance displayed by Trump and Republicans is off the charts. No, Seth Myers got it right. Duh.

Telling the truth that a billionaire is unfit for the presidency because of behavior exhibited by him personally, is treating working-class men with disrespect? No, if this is "arrogance," then it's you heartland folks that are treating America and all people with total "disrespect."

Basket of deplorables? She was right of course; half of them probably are. But OK, so she made a gaffe. How many gaffes did Trump utter? And if his supporters are racist, sexist, homophobic, or xenophobic, is that Hillary's fault? They are the ones who voted for a racist, sexist xenophobe.

Pardon me for introducing just a little logic into this hogwash.

While I may agree with you hogwashy nature of the charges against Hillary, it still stands as fact that most of my neighborhood comprises a demographic that sees her as the "professional elite".  Yup, these are the people who fall for dumb propaganda be it for one side or against the other.  Many of them are simply deplorable at many levels, but more of them are likely to excuse deplorable which is, in my mind, just as bad.  

I hear all day long how Trump won and it signals a sea change in the direction for America.  I call bullshit on that.  It was a very close vote, and it was thrown in Trump's favor by the angry hopes of those that have been left behind.........never mind there are good reasons they were left behind.

Here is a funny thing, though not directly related to the above referenced article.  So, I know a lot of people that worked for manufacturers in my area.  Those places left some time ago.  Some left more than a decade ago.  The people are still here ranting they want the jobs back, they want manufacturing jobs (that you only need a GED to get particularly) to come back.  They want to live that true American lifestyle, to be able to support their families, and for their children to have a future.  They want America back the way it used to be.

THEN MOVE!!!!!  That is the way America used to be for christsake!  When the jobs move, you move!  My family covered this continent looking for work, moving when the jobs moved, coal miners, meat packers, farmers and machinists and soldiers they were and they never once sat on their poor little asses waiting for someone to bring a job to them!  Wherever did this sense of employment entitlement come from that says, "I don't want to move cuzin my family is all here and it would break my heart to leave"  WTF!  The workers with the get up and go, got up and went, and followed the work the way strong-willed Americans do.  Sometimes one went, and brought the next, and the next and so on. In many ways these rust belt cities and rural areas are populated by the ones without the gumption to go.  They somehow believe American business owes them a living and needs to bring them a job.  Not just any job.  A simple job, where you don't need no skewlin and pay day is Friday.  

So, some might call these people deplorable.

I have to point out, though, that the main stream American mentality promotes the people you've described to expect the good life (which in this case is watching lots of sports, drinkin' pee beer, trailerin' the speed boat / bass boat depending on what floats one's boat, goin' huntin,' paying for junior to participate in lots of sports, etc). And if one can't afford it based on normal cash flow, then whip out the plastic and use the house as an ATM. So while we can say they dug their own holes and were of course screwed when the jobs went away or pay was cut, "the system" certainly promoted the high risk decisions. Now cap it off with "then move to work at the great intermodal hub in IL" or some such, and that just pisses them off even more.

Yep!  Pisses them right off!  You are right on all counts and in particular that "the system" set them up to fail.  It has all along!  Snake oil!  Get rich quick schemes!  There has never been a shortage of pie in the sky to tempt people into accepting that the jobs will always be there and that plastic is a help to your family budget.  It has been that way since people were lured to the New World where gems popped out of the ground!  Nevertheless, in the true American tradition you tough it out, or you pack it up and move to where the work is.  Those that elected to stay in place long after the blast furnaces were torn down ( I sat on the railroad tracks in Youngstown, Ohio drinking beer with my college buddies in the mid 1980's and watched them blow down steel mills) have chosen their lot.  Trump cant help them, but it is easier to believe that he will bring the mills and the jobs back than look inside and see that they have themselves to blame for much of their folly.

Next time around, lot of the old ones will be watching John Wayne reruns in the sky.  Their Mille grand kids will be a much larger voting block.  This was America's purple election.