05-23-2016, 07:33 AM
(05-23-2016, 12:24 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:(05-22-2016, 04:52 PM)radind Wrote:(05-22-2016, 03:10 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Uh...I have news for you. Christians in Syria are being killed. I don't think anyone in the us is killing Christians.I think you misread the quote.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7121/i...christians
In Egypt Coptic Christians are routinely discriminated against, almost on par with Blacks in the Jim Crow days.
https://www.mnnonline.org/news/egypt-pra...hristians/
In Nigeria Boko Haram regularly murders Christians or forces them to convert to Islam.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2014...ution.html
Where exactly in secular America are Christians being murdered or discriminated against? By whom are they being discriminated against? Inquiring minds want to know. I will require citation too. I don't care about "feels".
The point is that there is " growing pressure to marginalize Christianity".
Quote:... " He rightfully declares, however, that Christians in America are not persecuted nearly to the degree that they are in such places as "Nigeria, Iran, Pakistan, Egypt or Syria."...
First point. America is not a Christian nation, never was, never will be. This fact goes back to the very founding. Any argument that this is not true is based on a myth. The truth can be found in reading the very letters of the Founders or better yet the Treaty of Tripoli of 1795
Treaty of Tripoli of 1795 Wrote:Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
As such there is no state marginalization of any religion. The simple fact of the matter is that Christianity is losing popularity as a religion. I have news for you religions come and go. Typically they seem to have about a run of 2000 years on average before they die. Christianity has had a good run but like Roman Paganism its time for something new.
Point Two. Perhaps I did misread the quote. That being said, the Christian preoccupation with being persecuted in the US is absurd. While some incredibly small people are bothered by others wishing them a Merry Christ-mas they are people who walk around finding things to be offended by.
I agree that the US is not a Christian nation. My take is the the secular camp is attacking Christian values in the same way as if the secular camp were a religion.
Being offended is not the issue. Limiting freedom of religion is the issue. I understand that no one in the secular camp will understand or feel the pressure. Their values and dogma are being pushed.
I would be happy to see 'Christmas' abolished since it was based on a pagan holiday anyway.
… whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things. Phil 4:8 (ESV)