Homelanders: Mid 90s or Mid 00s?

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(12-03-2016, 07:16 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(12-01-2016, 01:14 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(11-30-2016, 10:09 PM)HoldOn Wrote:

(11-28-2016, 09:24 AM)tg63 Wrote: Unless I'm mistaken S&H defined the start of a new generation as 3-4 years before the onset of a new turning.  So if we go with 2008 as the start of the 4T as is generally accepted (others posit 2005 or even 2001, but your mileage may vary), that would make the start of the homelander generation as 2004-5.  Seems to fit intuitively for me.

If you go by the belief that 9/11 began the 4T, that would place the Homelanders' starting date around 1997-8ish, correct? Which wouldn't be far off from the dates that sources like Gallup, Pew Research, and The New York Times use for Millennials and Zers (usually a cutoff of ~1995-98).

Honestly, I don't abide by the idea that generations *must* be ~20-25 years each. I believe that as technology progresses, it makes sense for each generation to get shorter and shorter. A 12 year old, who S&H consider a tail-end "Millennial", for example, grew up with much more advanced technology than even a 21 year old "Millennial". The former does not know a world without iPhones, while the latter spent nearly all of their childhood (ages 5-12) *without* iPhones.

Here's my idea of generations (feel free to disagree).

Lost Generation: 1883-1900
Greatest Generation: 1901-1924
Silent Generation: 1925-1945
Baby boomers: 1946-1964
Gen X: 1965-1981
Gen Y/Millennials: 1982-1996
Gen Z/Homelanders: 1997-present (if Trump's presidency brings on a certain world-changing event, an ending date could be found for this generation)

You've got it backwards. Because what defines a saeculum is human lifespan, increasing life spans have lengthened seacula and also turnings.

Incorrect. The human maximum lifespan has not increased and has remained consistantly in the 120 year range since ancient times. The only difference is that the AVERAGE human lifespan has increased. Largely though massive reduction in deaths among the very young. You're not Eric, so I expect you to have an understanding of how averaging works considering it is something most people in learn in fourth grade maths class.

That being said, as human life spans have not increased but rather only the numbers of each generation reaching into late elderhood there could be some lengthening of the saeculum but the evidence for such is not present as of yet.

It's true that much of the increase in average lifespans is because of increase in infant and early childhood. However, it is also true that lifespans for people who reach adulthood or even middle-age have also increased. With advances in medicine and fewer people smoking, fewer people in their 50s and 60s are dying from diseases such as pneumonia, influenza, emphysema, or heart disease, and the old-old (over 75 or 80) are the fastest growing demographic.