01-29-2017, 02:27 PM
(01-29-2017, 02:11 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:The blue folk got hung up on them because they were obviously far more important to them. American lives (national security) and American laws (strict enforcement of immigration laws) still didn't seem to matter to them. Whatever, blues can have fun dealing with their own political fallout. Red America ain't going to pay much attention or care much about it either. By the way, calling those who didn't buckle under the liberal use of racism, sexism, fascism, deplorables and so on a bunch of supremacists is bullshit. Bullshit that doesn't belong in a gentler more polite conservation. Where are those feelings coming from anyway? I thought you admitted that the feelings that you use were bullshit. I was glad to see that you finally admitted it because that meant there would less emotional liberal bullshit for me to cut through with. I prefer to cut straight to the chase myself. I see identity politics as best way for blues to keep them all alive and keep their voters from straying myself.(01-29-2017, 01:42 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(01-27-2017, 11:45 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: You are touching on one aspect of what I call the 'arrow of progress.' Those favoring the superiority of the whites and maintaining their superior place are of questionable merit. Those seeking equality for minorities by race, culture and gender are winning a very slow and intermittent victory. In general, yes, equality has in the long run been making advances over supremacists.Equality isn't as big of a deal on the Republican side. White supremacy isn't a big deal either (it barely exists nationally). I'd say that the Republican side (red America) is much further ahead in regards to the arrow of progress. The Democratic side has way more issues (identity politics and taxation related issues) for it to get hung up on and bogged down with than the Republican side. BTW, you should drop supremacists for your own sake. What's up with you, every time you show me some positive signs of progress, you step back and resort to the same old liberal bullshit.
I find myself amused that you can flip it over in your mind, calling the supremacists 'core America' while those working towards equality have been mislabeled as pursing 'identity politics'. My thought is that those favoring equality went a little too far too fast with a black president, pressure to ban official use of Confederate symbols, efforts on behalf of latinos, muslims and other cultures currently the victims of the supremacists, and attempts to mainline non-traditional gender partnerships. The supremacists have recently seen too much progress towards equality. They are ticked off at the moment. There is a supremacist backlash in progress. This happens from time to time in America. Work towards equality will be at a pause for a time. While I find this offensive, I do not believe the current backlash will continue indefinitely. After a time of ugliness, work towards equality will resume.
It is the red folk who are hung up about muslims and latinos. The blue folk are trying to integrate those worthy into society as equals. Granted, there are real economic and security issues involved. These need to be worked. However, many on the blue side think these should be worked without blanket discrimination against everyone with a certain culture, religion or skin tone. The recent travel ban from muslim majority countries might stand as an example of red prejudice.
I see the red ideas of rejecting political correctness and accusing blues of identity politics as doublethink to justify continued prejudice, of keeping members of certain cultures, religions and skin tones outside of their society.
Equality and human rights are not bullshit, at least not to many in blue society. If you are going to communicate with members of the blue culture, you shouldn't close your mind whenever Enlightenment values are invoked.
In general I favor a gentler more polite conversation. However, there is nothing gentle or polite about prejudice. To me, those favoring prejudice have hidden behind politically correct language for too long. For a bit, I'm inclined to call a spade a spade.