I Apologize to My Fellow Americans

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(01-29-2017, 02:27 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-29-2017, 02:11 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: It is the red folk who are hung up about muslims and latinos.  The blue folk are trying to integrate those worthy into society as equals.  Granted, there are real economic and security issues involved.  These need to be worked.  However, many on the blue side think these should be worked without blanket discrimination against everyone with a certain culture, religion or skin tone.  The recent travel ban from muslim majority countries might stand as an example of red prejudice.

I see the red ideas of rejecting political correctness and accusing blues of identity politics as doublethink to justify continued prejudice, of keeping members of certain cultures, religions and skin tones outside of their society.

Equality and human rights are not bullshit, at least not to many in blue society.  If you are going to communicate with members of the blue culture, you shouldn't close your mind whenever Enlightenment values are invoked.

In general I favor a gentler more polite conversation.  However, there is nothing gentle or polite about prejudice.  To me, those favoring prejudice have hidden behind politically correct language for too long.  For a bit, I'm inclined to call a spade a spade.

The blue folk got hung up on them because they were obviously far more important to them. American lives (national security) and American laws (strict enforcement of immigration laws) still didn't seem to matter to them. Whatever, blues can have fun dealing with their own political fallout. Red America ain't going to pay much attention or care much about it either. By the way, calling those who didn't buckle under the liberal use of racism, sexism, fascism, deplorables and so on a bunch of supremacists is bullshit. Bullshit that doesn't belong in a gentler more polite conservation. Where are those feelings coming from anyway? I thought you admitted that the feelings that you use were bullshit. I was glad to see that you finally admitted it because that meant there would less emotional liberal bullshit for me to cut through with. I prefer to cut straight to the chase myself. I see identity politics as best way for blues to keep them all alive and keep their voters from straying myself.

National security involves not only dealing with imminent threats which are hard to detect but al;so in keeping others from having the desire or willingness to do bad things to Americans. We can be firm in hunting down terrorists and keeping them out of our country. But what of home-grown terrorists? On that we may need to rely upon cultural norms that preclude violence. Got a problem with society as a whole? Just do not do violence. Rely upon legitimate authorities. Report people who seem likely to do horrible deeds such as bombings or mass shootings. Maybe the nutty or angry fellow who collects firearms like you might collect recordings of jazz...

Yes, we liberals tend to use such words as racism, sexism, religious bigotry, homophobia, and fascism as 'dog-whistles'... but what is so great about racism, sexism, religious bigotry, homophobia, and fascism anyway?  Overt smears are grossly impolite. but these could simply reflect such a personal weakness as impulse control. Fascism is pure pathology within a society, a hijacking of a national culture for evil ends. Of course bigotry of any kind is deplorable, and fascism is especially so.

Of course we all have a right to our identity. If I have a right -- and I do not make much of being white, as it means little to me -- to my ethnic identity, then so do people who do not look like me to their ethnic identity. I recognize that non-whites have a right to not be stepped upon, and most of us know well enough to not step on people for some ethnic difference (see also religion and gender orientation).