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[SomeGuy]

Quote:I provided a link.  You did check it out, right.  DId it work?  If so, You can do this for the T4T reference you find my searching for a cluster of words specific to the page. It should come right up.  Then you can link to it like I did for the Generations reference.

You did provide a link, I am looking through it further.  I checked T4T on Google Books, but it did not seem as if the entire book were up.

Quote:I only read T4T once.  It seemed to me to be a rehash of Generations, with nothing new.  I wouldn't think they changed the definition in the six years between the two books.  What was significant to me was they explicitly defined turnings that encompassed social moments for  and the "inner-directed" and "out-directed" periods in-between.  I am trying to write a paper that takes S&H seriously.  THe only person who has done that is Dave Krein and the paper he wrote (that I thought was quite good) is the least cited of all those who wrote during his career. 

T4T is not very usable since it is full of jargon.  In T4T they renamed the generational types: Idealist, Reactive, Adaptive, and Civic as Prophet, Nomad, Artist, and Hero archetypes.  Why?  I dunno.  They stopped talking about social moments and started talking about turnings, giving each an equal role in history formation, whereas initial it was the social moments that were key. I cannot recalll if they even discussed the idea of dominant and recessive generations.  Did they? Are you familiar with this concept?  If you haven't read Generations, I cannot see how you really be conversant with their theory, since they only lay that out in the Appendix in Generations.

So T4T is just a rehash of Generations, but not reading Generations is not enough to grasp the material?  I dunno, you only bothered to read LSWP once 16 years ago and that didn't stop you from lecturing me on its contents.   

Yes, Mike, I am familiar with the concepts of dominant and recessive generations, I have been posting and reading here for about 4 years now (Jesus, where does time go?).  I also favor using the other terms, and have used them extensively in posts made here.

So, is your gripe that the "social moment" has not yet started, rather than the 4T as laid out in T4T?  Looking at them, it doesn't seem to preclude a 2008 start to the 4T, with a "social moment" to have begun now or in the not-too distant future.  What are your thoughts on that?