02-04-2017, 12:48 PM
(02-04-2017, 12:25 PM)SomeGuy Wrote:(02-04-2017, 12:09 PM)freivolk Wrote:(02-04-2017, 12:04 PM)SomeGuy Wrote:(02-04-2017, 12:01 PM)freivolk Wrote:(02-04-2017, 11:44 AM)SomeGuy Wrote: It's certainly an interesting argument, one I don't necessarily disagree with (at least in broad strokes). Where are you trying to date the 4T/1T transition in "Germany" then, the Peace of Basel?
Basel is definitly part of the transition, but I would tend more to Campo Fornio.
For Germany? Are you lumping Austria and Germany together, then?
I think Austria and Germany can be seperatet at this time. Austria is to integral for the HRE at this time. A clear seperation doesn´t happend before 1866 as part of the next crisis.
I am not sure I agree. Prussia and Austria were fairly distinct at this time, and the Austrian Empire extended well outside the HRE, which was basically a legal fiction at this time, anyways.
But let's say you're right, why was the saeculum truncated in the 19th century, in Europe as well as the US.
I would say in Europe we had rather short 1T and 2T as a results of the Napoleonic Wars. The USA had an extreme short 4T with the Civil war.
My theory for the european saeculum: 1T ca. 1800 -1815, 2T 1815 -1830 (July-revolution in France triggers other european uprising), 3T 1830-1848 (european revolutions), 4T 1848-1871 (end of german-french war)