Homelanders: Mid 90s or Mid 00s?

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(02-18-2017, 10:49 AM)TeacherinExile Wrote: Okay, people, time out.  Go back and re-read the book.  Strauss and Howe laid out different markers for the beginning and end of the various generations, as well as different markers for the corresponding turnings that follow 2-5 years later.

In contending that Generation Z (or the Homelanders) began in 2001 with the 9-11 attacks, I for one am not saying that the Crisis turning began at the same time.  Quite the contrary.  It comes some years later after a new generation is born.

(02-18-2017, 12:42 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-18-2017, 10:49 AM)TeacherinExile Wrote: Okay, people, time out.  Go back and re-read the book.  Strauss and Howe laid out different markers for the beginning and end of the various generations, as well as different markers for the corresponding turnings that follow 2-5 years later.

In contending that Generation Z (or the Homelanders) began in 2001 with the 9-11 attacks, I for one am not saying that the Crisis turning began at the same time.  Quite the contrary.  It comes some years later after a new generation is born.

I was solidly in the not-2001 camp for a 4T start.  Now, I'm wondering whether we have some hybrid 4T start ... perhaps mimicing the ACW.  I've always beleived that the "anomoly" seen by the authors was, if fact, a bifurcated 4T start, and finish for that matter.  The warrior mood started earlier in the SOuth, and lasted later into the 1870s.  That may be a good model for internal 4Ts. 

We may get to see.  It seems that the country is split in several pieces, but the two dominant factions see the world through totally different lenses. 

• The conservatives of most stripes see us at a crossroads, where our physical safety and power need to be addressed, and nothing is too extreme in pursuit of those goals.  Most, though not all, in this camp are in the GOP or at least allied with them.  They are typically in the 2001 camp
  
• The liberals of most stripes see us at a crossroads too, but the challenges are social and, to a lesser degree, economic.  Mos of this group are in the Democratic camp to one degree or another.  Typically, they are in the 2008 camp.
  

So you have to ask: are these two groups even responding to the same stimulii, and, if so, are they in opposite camps that have been strangely uncorrelated until now?  If so, then the 4T looks very different to each group, meaning the resoution will have to happen just to know which vision succeeded as "the 4T".

I don't see a 2001 start either, but those who do, really see it clearly.

I think 2001-2008 might have been a hybrid 3T/4T time. It had a 3T economics attitude but a 4T attitude on national security and being afraid of almost everything.
I think 2021-2028 might be a 4T/1T hybrid with some aspects regulated but other aspects very unregulated and division will continue to grow until people decide they're tired of fighting. The internal 4T might not come to a conclusion. Instead it might be issues go underground for things to function.