death rates of white middle class American males

[David Horn]

(02-24-2017, 11:19 AM)SomeGuy Wrote:

Quote:OK, but what alternative are you suggesting?  Gaming the system, which is what you  are noting here, requires one to look broken to get money ... so they look broken.  Yes, the system gets scammed frequently.  A system that required no scamming, might solve a lot of the downside issues you see ... or not.  At some point, universal income, or something similar, will be tried out of desperation.  Then we'll know.

WTF?  I point out that we have effectively had years if not decades of experience with large numbers of people subsisting largely off of government checks and the evidence seems to suggest that many of those people basically rot away and you mention... "scamming"?  

Did your mother have any other children that lived?

Your declaration and fact do not have to coexist.  Yes, there are many who do poorly on subsidies, and others who take advantage and excel.  Then there are those who know the system and how to use it.  Why are any of these variants unusual?  Oh yeah, they aren't.

FWIW, my wife works in a Federally funded healthcare clinic, and the scammers are in evidence daily.  So are the ones working hard to do well.  The ones just hanging around waiting to die ... them too.