death rates of white middle class American males

[Eric the Green]

(02-27-2017, 09:40 AM)gabrielle Wrote:

(02-26-2017, 07:15 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I actually have a copy of "The End," (because I bought The Doors album), and I don't have one of "98.6." Irony I guess. The difference is in the music; When I think back on the music of the sixties, I remember so many that lifted my spirit. "The End" attracted me because of the smooth, flowing ambient sound in it that was pioneering. When I listen to 3T era songs, I don't get that uplift from it. But I like getting ideas of music from all the different times to check out, so I'm listening. Interestingly, a 4T song called "there's no place I'd rather be" is being used now in a ubiquitous Bay Area casino ad. It's pretty good; I already posted it in the 4T music thread here. "Right Here Right Now" has its good points. It's OK, but it's not easy to compare it to the music I really like. But my point, is the overwhelming trends that can't realistically be denied in 3T music; and it is as I said.

The hypnotic flow of "The End" is indeed lulling and pleasant.  A fog and haze obscures reality, impairing one's ability to perceive the "danger on the highway," leading inexorably on to death and destruction.  My point is not that it isn't a great song, but that it is a very dark one, and "negative in its message."  

Quote:That's right; it's ugly. Not all of it, but when it is, that makes it a downer. The music has to match the words, or it's a mixed message. And ugliness is obvious, even if people deny it. But it's very easy to see that, these days, obvious facts are being denied all the time. It's the times we live in; times of denial. The 60s music did change the world. But then the sixties ended, and the music went away. It's not easy for music to change the world. It kind of changed together. Corporate concentrated media, cynicism, Reaganism, cynical pop music; kind of all arrived together.

Please do not equate personal opinions on pop music to "fact denial."  There is a difference between stating a belief that one song is better than another and stating that a massacre happened in Bowling Green, KY when it didn't.  If you can't tell the difference, then you might be a victim of the 60s "anti-rationalism" you alluded to earlier in this thread.

Maybe "reality denial" is better, eh?

The difference is obvious.

My "opinion" extends to more than one song or another. The general trend of pop music along with much else in the 3T was cynical, negative and ugly. Exceptions apply. You know my opinion.

I don't know yet if the 4T will be better, but it seemed to be getting better for a while. Now things may just have reverted. But the recent "Rather Be" song was positive, and the violin work on it was very fine. And I was so happy for "Happy."