Are Some Haters Of Government Sensing The Looming Regeneracy?

[Kinser79]

If I may interject here in your lamenting. Perhaps a fresh perspective is necessary, and I'm the guy to provide it.

(03-16-2017, 10:44 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:  I look at the ‘make America great again’ slogan, and note that the time of America’s greatness was the peak of the New Deal and Borrow and Spend liberalism.

Actually no. While I have no personal experience with the Great Depression I garuntee you that it was not the peak of American Greatness. As for the Borrow and Spend Liberalism of the Regan/Bush I and Bush II eras were not the peak of American greatness either.

Quote:America was indeed great, until about Nixon’s time when the optimism and energy that created the greatness burned out.

I think part of that has to do with the fact that the GIs themselves were burned out. The Silents may have had the desire to continue but didn't have the numbers, and the Boomers were busy tearing down everything in sight.

Quote:But in doing all that, we stepped on people, we and similar European cultures.  There were black slaves.

Yeah slavery was bad. It was the US along with Britain that ended the Slave trade and exerted pressure to end Slavery in the west. Slavery still exists though in Africa and until recently the Middle East.

Quote: There were Native Americans taken from the woods and planted in the deserts.

I know you like self-flagellation, I suspect Christianity is the cause of it, but America isn't the only society that committed genocide, and won't be the last. Yeah it was bad but the people who were victims and the people who did the victimizing are all dead.

Quote:  There were Arabs living on top of a lot of oil, and the West grew rich and powerful on that oil, while the locals grew to hate us.

Yes and no. I think the Arabs hate America because we put military bases on their soil. They don't hate us for our freedoms they hate us for our proximity. Indeed if we weren't there they'd be fighting each other.

Quote:I also hear slogans like ‘America First’.  We seized a prominent place in the world and are striving to keep it.

As we should being the dominant power on a continent, controlling at least 1/3rd of that continent. I think Americans should put America first just like I think Brazilians should put Brazil first, or Chinese should put China first. One cannot help anyone else if they do not first help themselves.

Quote:  I see people waving Nazi and Confederate flags, expressing pride in the horrific past.

I see confederate flags occasionally but I've never seen anyone outside of a handful of Neo-Nazi scum fly a Swastika flag.

Quote: And those who were down, and make no mistake many of them are still down, should not be helped.  If one tries in any way to make amends for an unspeakable past, one is accused of betraying one’s race.  

Have you ever stopped to consider that those people who are "down" do not want or do not need y'all's help? What they need is the opportunity to make of themselves whatever they can make of themselves. The role of the state is not to make a level playing field, even in a state with only one race and one culture there will not be a level playing field--because people are all different with different abilities and so on. Instead the role of the state is to clear away all the refuse and allow people to play the game.

Quote:I am not pleased with this.  As proud as I am of how Jefferson’s self evident truths brought something truly new out of the tyranny of the Agricultural Age, we got there walking all over people.  We are striving still to walk over them more.

If you all want a plate of scrambled eggs or an omelette you can't really give a shit over the eggs you have to take from the hen or the milk to from the cow to make butter and that doesn't even get into what happens to the pig for spam or bacon.

Quote:I find it all to easy to understand the hate coming from the cultures exploited, still exploited.

I would like to know who is still being exploited in the US. In what way is "I'll give you money if you do X" exploitation?

Most of the hate these days come from people who are complaining about not having anything to complain about. Hence why they are mocked and called snowflakes--among other things.

Quote:There’s a fuse burning.  My instinct is to throw water on it, not gasoline.  Being into turning theory, that’s probably the wrong answer.  There will likely need to be an explosion.

If it is a 4T and a fuse is burning you need to be pouring gasoline all around the place. Throwing water on the fire or fuse at this point only prolongs the inevitable and makes things worse in the long run.

Quote: When the crisis comes, I remain dubious that shutting the doors so one’s own cultural group can keep its privileged place in the world will be the answer.

The crisis is here and I'm dubious as to the wisdom of allowing in a flood of foreigners who may or may not have the society's best interests in mind. If anything we have too many cultures and too many factions competing...we need time for them to be absorbed into the alloy. Failing this we will end up with a giant mess.