Are Some Haters Of Government Sensing The Looming Regeneracy?

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(03-17-2017, 01:14 AM)ssic-Xer Wrote:

(03-16-2017, 10:44 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I’m used to taking the label of ‘Whig’.  I have my arrow of progress.  I favor democracy, human rights and equality.  I see what advancing technology has done for us, but look to change society to adapt to the new environment technology gives us.  I look at the ‘make America great again’ slogan, and note that the time of America’s greatness was the peak of the New Deal and Borrow and Spend liberalism.  There is a pride in being an American, and a Whig.  America was indeed great, until about Nixon’s time when the optimism and energy that created the greatness burned out.

But in doing all that, we stepped on people, we and similar European cultures.  There were black slaves.  There were Native Americans taken from the woods and planted in the deserts.  There were Arabs living on top of a lot of oil, and the West grew rich and powerful on that oil, while the locals grew to hate us.

I find it awfully easy to understand any hatred and violence aimed in our direction.  We took so much.

I also hear slogans like ‘America First’.  We seized a prominent place in the world and are striving to keep it.  I see people waving Nazi and Confederate flags, expressing pride in the horrific past.  And those who were down, and make no mistake many of them are still down, should not be helped.  If one tries in any way to make amends for an unspeakable past, one is accused of betraying one’s race.  

I am not pleased with this.  As proud as I am of how Jefferson’s self evident truths brought something truly new out of the tyranny of the Agricultural Age, we got there walking all over people.  We are striving still to walk over them more.

Too many are excessively fond of our privileged place in the world, have become totally accustomed to this place, and will apply all sorts of upside down double think to excuse their efforts to maintain their privileged place.

I find it all to easy to understand the hate coming from the cultures exploited, still exploited.  It’s not harder to understand those wallowing in the wealth and the privilege.  They are so used to it.  Their arrogant belief in their exalted place in the world is deeply ingrained, unquestionable.  Yes, it’s values locked in.  Folks can look in their fancy gilt mirrors and not see themselves.

There’s a fuse burning.  My instinct is to throw water on it, not gasoline.  Being into turning theory, that’s probably the wrong answer.  There will likely need to be an explosion.

But there is that niggling arrow of progress.  Come the crisis, when the problems become too deep to be ignored, the solutions tend towards working for the common good, towards equality, towards democracy, towards inclusiveness.  I accuse others often enough of being values locked.  Me too.  I have that silly stubborn faith in Jefferson’s self evident truths.  When the crisis comes, I remain dubious that shutting the doors so one’s own cultural group can keep its privileged place in the world will be the answer.

I've yet to see a liberal Democrat who'd I'd be willing to place my life on line or sacrifice something of great personal value to save. I will also add, I've yet to see a liberal Democrat who'd I trust with my life or anything great of personal value or anything important to me.

I think we liberal democrats want people to have more tangible and intangible things (like freedom, equity, and prosperity) worthy of saving. Consider that liberalism, the antithesis of fascism, prevailed in World War II over fascism.  Consider that the liberal side won in the Civil War. The US and Britain won because they didn't have to wage war against partisan opposition even in Italy.

Contrast some other realities. Part of the cause of the collapse of the Confederacy was that slaves voted with their feet to go to the Union lines. Go back further and recognize that the subjected peoples of the Roman Empire saw the Germanic tribes invading Rome as liberators. Tell slaves that they can get more than their next meal -- maybe the land that they work and of course some real freedom -- and they will tell the barbarian invaders where their masters' treasure is hidden and where the princess-like daughters of their masters are hiding.

Quote:I say screw the Democrats and screw them big time. You better be smart enough to realize if we end up fighting with groups of ISIS here because of liberal politics, the Democratic party and all its stupidity will come to an abrupt end.

There is nothing liberal or democratic about ISIS. If anything, I can't see anything particularly hostile to Jeffersonian democracy in Islam. If anything, Jeffersonian democracy is the most obvious enemy of the fascistic cruelty of ISIS. But even at that -- ISIS is dying in Iraq. Thank you, President Obama, for letting the CIA and American military advisers do what it they do best. I am predicting that al-Baghdadi, leader of ISIS who slithered out of Mosul, will soon have a rope slithering around his neck fairly soon.

I do not expect the arrogant, selfish, dictatorial President Trump to do so well.  

Quote:How much are your political values worth to you, blues in general and everyone else here? Blue values, as I've seen them, ain't worth a shit to me or anyone else who isn't emotionally tied to them. I understand that blues place a ton of value on themselves and their beliefs and whatever values that they claim to represent for reasons that I don't understand or relate too.

Rationality? Freedom? Governmental integrity? Fairness?

Quote:I assume it has something to do with their degree's* or job titles or possibly spending too much time listening/taking in the beliefs of their loving blue parents or their supportive blue peers. How many Americans want to live in a liberal blue can't do/say (ugly word redacted) culture controlled by PC labeling?

...as if the Right were free of its own shibboleths!

Quote:Can you bitch about anything other than conservatives/reds/Republicans/libertarians in Blue America?

The problem is that your side offers so much to despise.

Quote:Can you bitch about a nasty group of blacks who reside in Blue America?

I think we are very color-blind to nastiness when it comes to street crime, corruption, etc. Bloods. Crips, MS-13 (of course they are Hispanic and not black) can get lost. They are not like the non-white parts of the middle class that most of us recognize as equals.

Quote:Can you bitch about having to (sic) many illegal aliens to support in Blue America?

The illegal aliens take care of themselves. Of course I want their kids in school even if they are illegal aliens so that if they avoid getting caught by "Migra" they can be economic plueses to America. So how does an illegal alien of Latin origin get away with illegal status?

1. Work conscientiously.
2. Learn good English. That's the best disguise of illegal status possible.
3. Stay clear of crime.
4. Assimilate into American life, which can be the large Hispanic population wherever one lives.

Quote:Can you openly bitch about anything liberal without concerns about themselves? Can you protest against stupid liberal policies in Blue America?

For at least the next 21-and-a-fraction months we can expect plenty to complain about with the most illiberal time in American history for decades.

Quote:We can bitch (about) anything and anyone or any group in Red America.

But you don't see wrong in your leaders! Maybe it is too bad that Jerry Falwell is no more, because I can imagine him condemning the crotch-grabbing that Donald Trump bragged about and telling him to drop out of the Presidential race. When your conservatives start to complain about cronyism and corruption you tell them to leave.

We Blues are becoming more conservative because we are attracting people who prefer their conservatism with a human face and with some integrity. We are ready to become a Big Tent because some of us have conservative values on educational content, culture, fiscal integrity, crime, drugs, and sex.  

Quote:It doesn't matter who you are in Red America, Red Americans can bitch about you in public and in private (face to face). Reds don't care as much about race, class or gender as the blues seem too. No free passes in Red America. We stuck a towel in the mouths of the Evangelical's*. As it turned out, the Republican voters aren't as heavily into religion as the liberal's* seemed to believe.

So why do non-white, non-Anglo, non-Christian, and non-straight members of the middle class vote so heavily Democratic?

If anything the Evangelicals should have stuck a towel in the mouth of Donald Trump when he bragged "I grabbed them by their..."

Authoritarian rightists are extremely lenient toward the misconduct of political figures that they supported or who have made appeals in recent political campaigns. We liberals could ditch Mel Reynolds, Dan Rostenkowski, William Jefferson, and Rod Blagojevich fast even if such meant a loss of a Congressional seat or a State House. 

*Please avoid the infamous grocer's apostrophe (Banana's 50c a pound). An apostrophe is either the signal of contraction, a possessive noun, or dropped letters, as in

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