Who are you voting for in 2016?

[Eric the Green]

(06-08-2016, 07:10 AM)playwrite Wrote:

(06-07-2016, 04:09 PM)Odin Wrote:

(06-07-2016, 01:40 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: Our votes don't matter. We are in one of the deepest blue precincts, in a deep blue county, in CA. No offspring (after all, we are inadvertent negative population growth practitioners - typical X).

Yeah, I'm in Minnesota, which will with 99% certainly go for Clinton, so I can vote 3rd Party without any of the guilt Playwrite is insinuating.

Let's put aside the fact that some political analysts are suggesting MN could be a successful GOP target (i.e. White males dissatisfied with life blaming the government), and just note that you are not just talking with others of the Gopher State - maybe you are giving every reason for a reader in FL, OH, or NV to enable a Trump Presidency with yet another stupid Nader-like vote.

Nader was a well-known and respected national leader. The Greens or another left party does not have such a figure in 2016. Jill Stein is a good candidate, but she's not a well-known national leader with accomplishments to her credit for the people that made a difference, as Nader was. I doubt she can get more than 3% in any state; probably less in most. It could be a factor in a few swing states. But she will get less in a state like FL than Nader's 1%. Because FL was so tight in 2000, any of the other "third" candidates in the 2000 race could also be said to have flipped the state to Bush, and there were a number of them.

Johnson has more credibility as a former governor, but cannot compare with Nader in the above ways. He would draw at-least equally from Hillary Clinton and The Donald.

Odin keeps saying MN will certainly go to Hillary Clinton, but actual election results paint a different picture. Obama's margin there was narrow.