Donald Trump: polls of approval and favorability

[Eric the Green]

(07-05-2017, 05:28 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

Eric The Green Wrote:I may be a negative partisan, but I still think the only way those states can reduce their misery index, is to learn which party is against them, and which one is really for them.

Yeah. I know, long time, few posties.  Anyway, yes Eric can be a negative partisan at times. Wrt, misery index. Well, how about at least the Dems come up with a platform/list of proposals which are FOR something? Even global warming gets ne'er a hearing since it's all about President Trump and his messes. Use stuff with good optics, like we support the conversion to carbon neutral energy sources. "We're in favor of green energy because we don't want the farm belt to become a dust belt, coastal cities become fish houses, etc."

Quote: Nowadays, they vote their values and their anger at liberals for pointing out their errors. If instead they voted their interests, and dropped their phony ideologies imposed and brainwashed into them about self-reliance, immigration, militarism and religion, they could gain programs like they used to have when they voted Democratic. Government and social programs would improve their life conditions.

Why yes of course?  However has Eric ever considered that he, himself has a few too many jokers in the world view deck?
Let's say open borders immigration, perhaps? How about yes, border protection is a necessary thing, and when the border is secured, then let's do the path the citizenship thing?  <- Rags World View Warning. Then of course yes, pointing out the programs that affect them.  Again, where is the platform?  Why isn't it a major source of Democratic Party data for assorted media? There's nothing I can recall which describes the current Democratic position on healthcare? Say the Republican [tax cut for the wealthy, but is called a health care bill because budget items relating to health care like Medicaid will be cut a whole lot. ] That's a problem because wahoos like Rags can dig into the mind of Republican group think. At least one of those big money consultants should see how to turn some lame assed legislation into mush. I mean that thing I came up with a sound byte as stated above. Longer with examples.  Just say something on the lines :," HCRA health bill is really a set of budget cuts to programs like Medicaid and other governmental health programs. The proceeds of this budget cut will be used to cut taxes for the wealthy. The top rate goes from X to Y, etc. etc. "

I think the default position is "We Democrats oppose all attempts to repeal Obamacare". This message is mush. It's not engaging or exciting.

Quote:Investments could be made in new industry there instead of in military adventures abroad.

Yes, the MIC is way too big and has lots of stuff which are no longer needed and is fighting an unneeded set of wars of choice The security apparati like the  NSA/CIA/NDIS/ etc. need to be merged and duplications removed. These people also need to slapped if they ignore the bill of rights.  By slapped, I mean if some infraction happened they'd get handed a penalty of a cut in the budget by 1%.  This penalty is intended to be a typical bureaucrat's worst nightmare.  There would be a real, inflation adjusted cut in the budget.

Now, you can get "We, as Democrats support the Bill of Rights and here is how we intend to keep said promise.

Promises without a detail explanation of how to implement them are empty promises. They mean nothing.  Lipstick on a pig, man.

Here's one that's empty and is essentially a lipsticked pig in the poke:  We're gonna do something about the opiate crisis.

1.  The word, crisis is way overused and is to be dismissed as  emotionally eye candy.
2. There is no mention of how to work to / solve the problem/issue raised unless it's more of the same of out of sight/out mind -> war on drugs , being of just lock 'em up. Democrats ought to lay out the results of the war on drugs, propose misdemeanors instead of felonies for possession. Addiction is the problem, not whatever substance. Reference coke epidemic as example of different substance same problem. Expand current treatment and start release of non violent drug offenders.  Of course support weed legalization. This would even work in Oklahoma. In Oklahoma, until recently, only package stores could sell booze.  OK, we know you have to be 21 to enter their places. You have to be 21 to get weed, like booze, so you go to the same place, with similar regulations, and the exact same regulatory agency.  ABLE can be come just CABLE

Quote:Regulations would hold down pollution, which ruins their health. Instead of voting for their coal bosses, they could vote for new clean industries. Instead of focusing on resentment of black people for getting money from their taxes, and fear of losing their guns, they could get more tax money for themselves for better schools and highways.

1.  Don't say "guns".  It's a 4 letter word. Not all people are gonna have Eric's world view, wrt..... guns....
2. Be a Libertarian and say, "your right to pollute ends with my body".
3. I think wrt people who are different colors would be state the total cost of SNAP/WIC, whatever and compare that sum of loopholes which are really corporate welfare. If you could change their mind then match inner city misery with red locales.  It's a lot a like.  Main industry moved/shut down, jobs went poof. People are stuck there because they're too poor to move. Also, alternative housing in new location may be unobtainable.  Face it, living in an Appalachian shit hole house should have a lot of similar shit holes in Detroit alone. The "just move ..." isn't really doable.  Move to become homeless?  Stupid.

Quote:Also, some red states in the west have a higher quality of life than red states in the misery belt overall. That's partly because they actually practice some self-reliance in things like exercize, stopping smoking and eating less fat. They are also less hooked on drugs. But the Republican Party's answer to opiates is to put addicts in jail and waste money on drug wars. The Democrats know that treatment programs work better. Again, it's a question of people in the misery belt voting their prejudices instead of their needs.

Yeah, but where's the information? There's way too much #BecauseTrump and #RussiaGate. 
1 BecauseTrump.  Yes, there's plenty of information there. People know what Trump is doing. People also know the GOP is working on a health care bill. The problem is of course, there is no defined policy position for assorted #BecauseTrump emissions.
2. #RussiaGate. Too much spew here. There certainly can't be some idea of what is first true/false vs. assorted conjectures/theories. Ignore conjectures/theories on twitter or whatever and sheesh, fact check stuff. Next, group the facts into some coherent narrative.  If there ain't enough facts just say we're waiting on the special council. Saying crap that isn't true makes you look stupid and you get to be a non credible fake news joint and then  you're ignored.

Quote:There is no root cause other than their dedication to Trump and Republicans.

Yes there is. The Democrats need to get a coherent framework of what they are FOR and get that stuff propagated on the outbound informations stream.

Democrats could do better about proposals right now, when the priority is to block the GOP, which is all they can do now anyway; but I think we've had lots of campaigns over the last 40 years, and people should know by now what the Democrats propose and what Republicans propose, and what they have done. It's not that hard to figure out. Instead, the Republican voters have locked themselves into their prejudices. Yes, that includes their fear that liberals are going to take their guns away, but also the other things I mentioned; of course many red-state and red voters generally may vary about exactly which prejudice or outdated views they hold.