10-02-2017, 01:05 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-02-2017, 01:10 PM by Eric the Green.)
(10-02-2017, 12:24 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(10-02-2017, 12:16 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:Gee, my Republican voting mother was a registered nurse.(10-02-2017, 11:36 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(10-02-2017, 09:41 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Yes, she is female. I consider that a fact rather than a stereotype.Actually, you've been consistent and you were being consistent with the blue's view of the males on the other side. We are all anti-women, we look down on women, we don't believe in women, we don't respect women, we don't care about women and so forth. We are also racists, homophobes, fascists and so on according to the stereotype. Yes, she is a female. What kind of female is she? Is she competent? Is she power hungry and politically ruthless like Clinton? Is she greedy? Is she honest and wholesome or an evil cunt? You must know her better than me.
Yes, he, meaning Trump, did not respond well. It is not a broad painting of a larger group of people. It is a well documented tendency of a particular (expletive deleted).
I suspect that I was somewhere inconsistent. I'm not pretending to be holier than thou. Your accusation above is not a good illustration.
I've met/seen a lot of women during my life. You don't know what type of woman she is until you see them in action, she their personalities, see their weakness's and their flaws. We know that blue women are the best. We are often told/ propagandized by the blues that their women are the best. Blue women are the most educated, the most knowledgeable, the most competent, the most respectful, the most kind and generous women on earth. Red women are fools who don't know their interests, women who don't know their place, women who don't know what their interests are or what their interests should be, women who don't know how they should be politically aligned and so forth.
You may see, like President Trump, Mayor Carmen Yulin Cruz as a shrill Cassandra. But she is in far better position (word of mouth) to know what reality is in Puerto Rico, especially in its hurricane-ravaged back country, than he does. Word of mouth, which is good enough to make a failure out of an expensively-produced and lavishly-marketed cinematic bomb, can spread a meme quickly. This time the memes that no longer have landline or even cellular phones to get out the message, are word-of-mouth. Donald Trump has only his optimism about a bad situation.
If "Red" women were to get more education (and their daughters might), then they would less likely be "Red". The personal qualities that make a registered nurse a registered nurse instead of a waitress-short-order cook- cashier at a chain restaurant off Exit 33 are more likely to make the registered nurse a Democrat. "Red" women are more likely to submit to husbands who expect such submission.
I can already predict that Mayor Cruz will be present at the Democratic National Convention in 2020. She will give Hell to President Trump and his enablers. Well-deserved hell, that is.
Congratulations to her, but that doesn't mean she is typical.
To some extent, some of the stereotypes Classic Xer mentions are correct, and I agree with them. To some extent, I don't. Are "red" males anti-women? They may respect women well. But they vote for policies which WE on the other side believe are hurtful to women, such as trickle-down economics that keeps their wages down, and Republican votes in congress against policies that assure equal pay or protect them from abuse. Not to mention the disagreement over abortion. So it's largely not a hatred of women on the red side, but a disagreement over policies that blues believe are helpful to women or not. In the case of some Republicans like Trump, though, it's also behavior and prejudicial statements that they make. But some Democrats could also be faulted for such behavior.
There appears to be a split between the Trump base and the establishment/business wing in the GOP regarding racism, homophobia, fascism, etc. The Trump base seems to favor those vile opinions to some extent, while the other wing just supports policies like trickle-down economics and self-reliance memes that blues believe do not serve the interests of non-white groups, or anyone else for that matter except the richest class of folks.
Females are different individually, and political views and behaviors are not the sole determinants of assessments of women or anyone else. A person may be of high moral character and behavior by any standard, and still vote for policies which we blues believe are harmful to everyone's interests.
As for Hillary Clinton, she had her flaws, but it was mostly a dislike of being forward and honest about her actions. Nothing was ever proven regarding any charges of ruthlessness or corruption. On the contrary, those who knew her respected and admired her for her competence and compassion. But the model constructed of her by the GOP has proven very useful to them as a campaign tactic.
Women who vote Democratic, are better in their voting behavior, I believe. Stats prove they are better educated, and indeed from our viewpoint they support government policies that help people. Does that mean they are "the best?" Only in those kinds of respects. As for red women, the same holds true. Any "red" voting woman might have many great qualities, such as your Mom. But what you mentioned "Red women are fools who don't know their interests, women who don't know their place, women who don't know what their interests are or what their interests should be, women who don't know how they should be politically aligned and so forth" are political characteristics, so these are true stereotypes from the point of view of many blue voters. If they vote Republican, they are aligned with those views regarding women's place and interests. From our point of view, almost ANYONE of ANY gender who votes Republican these days is voting against their own interests and place in the world.