Government can't help, it can only hurt

[Bob Butler 54]

(01-30-2018, 02:35 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-29-2018, 09:24 PM)nebraska Wrote: If the government is enslaving Americans then why should Americans be defending it?

If the USA is supposed to be fascist then why did the US fight Nazi Germany?

If the US is supposed to be communist then why did the US fight North Korea?

If the US is supposed so imperialistic then why did we conquer Nazi Germany and Imperialist Japan, dumped billions of old hard earned American dollars into both of them and then gave the countries back to the Germans and Japanese. I don't know, the overly dramatic blue arguments of old never made much sense to me.

Why would a highly educated blue like Bob take a position like that with a guy who knows a thing or two about history, who knows a thing or two about old school imperialism, who knows a thing or two about words and definitions and a thing or two about computers and smart phones and the internet and cable TV channels and whatever else is available that I'm able to obtain with the use of my income.

The major lessons of World War II were that you had to contain autocratic expansionist powers and that war between major industrial powers was incredibly destructive.  The need to contain resulted in a reboot of Japan and Germany.  The destruction of WW II assured that the Cold War would remain cold, that at best we would see proxy wars that prevented the expansionist powers from expanding much.

At the time, the US was the only continental power with a more or less intact economy. We had a culture that believed itself nigh on invincible.  Today there are several continental powers with intact economies.  Most are not trying to be superpowers, with the ability to fight a war anywhere.  Then there is the pro military anti local prejudice of the US red culture.  During the Cold War we were allowed to be imperialistic to some extent.  Not today, as Bush 43 learned to his dismay.

I see the traditional reasons for the Cold War as sufficient.  Then again I see the tradition of Russia being invaded from Mongolia or Europe, the limits of Napoleon bringing western culture east, and China's long crisis as being more important than most in the US.