02-07-2018, 10:24 AM
(02-06-2018, 04:10 PM)Galen Wrote:(02-05-2018, 01:58 PM)Eric the Obtuse Wrote:(02-03-2018, 11:25 PM)Galen Wrote:(02-03-2018, 06:48 AM)Eric the Obtuse Wrote:(02-01-2018, 08:24 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I've never called you a commie. I've associated you with having a similar belief system and a similar mindset. Whether you be fascist, communist, socialist or imperialist is unknown at this time.
I'm similar to a socialist in some ways, and in some ways not.
You are flat out a socialist. You just don't want to admit it.
And yet I was an independent business man for 16 years, without any government support.
I find that hard to believe.
There are business-people wih a vested interest in the welfare system -- like grocers who have many food-stamp customers, physicians or dentists who rely heavily upon Medicaid and Medicare. Even people with high incomes such as school superintendents may be more concerned with a revenue stream through taxation than t hat they pay high taxes. Would you better off making $100K a year and paying $60K in taxes than I am making $20K a year and paying $5K in taxes? Only a fool would choose the latter.
Then there are people with high incomes such as film stars who are more concerned about people buying theater tickets than they are that they are paying income taxes at the maximum rate and paying 10% sales taxes on the purchase of a Mercedes-Benz car, Dom Perignon, and baubles from some boutique on Rodeo Drive. It's the common man who is making $20K a year who must choose between a night out to see a movie or do some casual dining at Bob Evans (yuck!) and would have an easier choice (both!) if he had more income who ultimately decides how well a film star can live.
Taxes are not a pure drain unless the government is wasting the money obtained either as tax revenue or borrowing. Government spending tends to go back into the economy.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.