Looking Toward The Next High

[Eric the Green]

(06-05-2018, 07:02 PM)TheNomad Wrote:

(06-05-2018, 11:00 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(06-04-2018, 04:47 PM)TheNomad Wrote: The main reason 911 doesn't get the nod as the Crisis Trigger has to do with timing.

Can you see what you even wrote here?  It doesn't get the nod for the crisis because it didn't happen in the time brackets you believe the crisis happened in.

subjective?

Subjective?  Of course!  All of this is subjective.  All I can do is look at the history as it unfolded and decide if the next turning has arrived or not.  As far as I can tell, nothing about the post-911 period has any crisis-feel to it.  It seemed a lot more like a MIC opportunity: profits for some, war for a few and pass the popcorn for the rest.

FWIW, we discussed this for years after 911, and no one make a strong case for 2001 as the beginning of the crisis period, and there were many who tried.  2001 was early, but not prohibitively so.  911 could have been the trigger, but it shows no signs that is was.  This is especially true when you consider the resolution of that event: none of note.  Afghanistan is still in turmoil, Iraq is stabilizing, but not in a way we would consider transformative, and the war has just spread to Syria and Yemen.  We now have troops in 197 countries and action is most of them, yet the focus of our attention is DJT and his Tweets.

All of this is subjective

That is the whole generational disconnect.  Objectivity views things through a lens that sets aside the observer's "doctrine" so that he/she can make informed decisions NOT on what they already believe or want to believe but in rectifying things they don't believe with things they do believe.  There is very little of that happening in our culture and it is what causes alternate realities and alt facts.  To even say "alternate facts" and have that be a phrase we hear at the highest levels of those in power is insanity.  I am beginning to understand OBJECTIVITY is a concept diametrically opposed to many, possibly unable to comprehend what is even the difference between the two, therefore, unable to BE objective because it means a willingness to stop preaching and start learning.

That somehow ALTERNATE FACTS even exist.  Facts are facts, they can and are spun in any way possible to achieve the end of the person spewing those "facts".  Therefore, subjectivity is wrong and only causes problems leading to Crisis and all the flaming doom we keep seeing in every 4th Turning.  That you can't or don't see that is ITSELF proof what I am saying is true.

Subjectivity is simply another phrase for Culture Wars.  And we have to endure a whole generation of subjective people who cling to their subjectivity before all else - even over solving problems.  I think solving problems needs to be front and center and dogma needs to stay outside until you have a change to walk it.

And yet, Sir Nomad, you believe in conspiracy theories about JFK and 9-11 and maybe more. These are not facts; they are subjective feelings. It had to be a conspiracy, you say, because it must be the actions of those in power and we just refuse to face up to it. The facts are just the facts, and they say otherwise.

We boomers did not see the outer-directed lives of the GIs in a favorable light. They were alienated from life, lacking any inner guidance or gyroscope, just acting out what society wanted them to do, and we didn't believe that was the basis for a good society. Inner exploration is a necessity and a key if we are ever to have a fulfilling society based on love and respect. What you say that S&H say, is not what they said. They were not called prophets and idealists for nothing. Prophets are supposed to show the way forward and lead us there. The blue boomers do that, but aren't given the chance.

I didn't have children because I didn't want any. That was the right decision if I didn't want children, not to have them and then neglect them or not respect them and their value. I felt neglected by my GI generation parents too. They wanted me to be a robot and follow the expectations of society, just as they did.

Objectivity and subjectivity both have their place in a true understanding of reality. Objectivity gives us the observable facts and the engineering skill to build things in the outer world. But lots of things and buildings and runaway thinking alone do not bring happiness or inner peace. That must be found within. Knowing the truth on the inner-directed level means to clear our own consciousness from distortion and see what actually exists and is happening.