Who Can Beat Trump?

[David Horn]

(08-21-2018, 03:40 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: FIW Mr. Horn you were likely to vote for the Democrats anyway.  From what I can tell you're in line with most Boomers who have yet to realize that their particular paradigm is over and has been over for a long time now.  So far the only thing that Daddy hasn't delivered on is the Wall(s) but I blame the Congress Critters (and Paul "Eddie Munster" Ryan in particular) for that.

If there is a New Democrats to emerge, they will have to be substantially different from the offerings of that party now, and they will likely have to reject the positions of even the least offensive (IE the Blue Dogs) of their party currently.  Last time the GOP had to accept the New Deal.  This time the Democrats will have to accept Nationalist Populism, the Wall, Tariffs and America First.

No one ever has to accept an unworkable paradigm, just because it's popular at the moment … and Trumpism even fails the popularity contest. The Dems are still out to lunch, but the GOP has thrown-in with the closet thing to a true Fascist we've ever produced in this country. On one thing, Lincoln was dead right: "You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time but you can't fool all the people all the time." Life isn't a reality show.

Kinser79 Wrote:Remember also Bob suffers from the condition of subscribing to Whig History.  Which is why his presence on a forum discussing cyclical generational driven history is somewhat puzzling. I would consider subscribing to even the barest bones of S&H theory to require the rejection of the notion of liner 'progress'.   I have long maintained that history only has the appearance of 'progressive movement' (not to be confused with the Progressive Movement--which is just an American branding of Neo-Marxist socialism).  In short since history is written by the victors, the victors always proclaim themselves to be the bearers of progress.

S&H never stated that their theory could predict outcome, only process. Right now, it's the 4T process, but the end of this cycle is still in play. Even Hillary, as poor a candidate as she was, managed to out-poll Trump by 3 Million votes. We'll see how that plays on November 7th.

Kinser79 Wrote:Also if Trump is a 'travesty' with 5% GDP growth, and 3% unemployment I'd like some more of that.  I want to see GDP growth twice that, and unemployment half that.  That's some travesties I can believe in--to paraphrase someone else's campaign slogan.

I see you prefer alternate facts to real ones. Fact: GDP growth is not 5%, even in the short term. Check the graph over the last 5 or 10 years, and the current growth rate (4.1%) seems unremarkable. Facts: unemployment is ~3.9%, but workforce penetration is down. Hiring has actually cooled and pay raises are less than the rate of inflation. Growth in an era of trade wars is even less likely.