Brexit Results

[Eric the Green]

(06-24-2016, 06:27 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: uhhhh yeah.  Those trade agreements seal the deal.

No, it depends on which countries are involved, and what they agree to.

Quote:I'd venture to say any ABC candidate qualifies in his/her own way.

And maybe C too, in her own way.

Quote:Oh, but if any of those trade agreements passes, that goes down the drain. Did you manage to read that letter from Greece I posted?

Probably. But no, it depends.

Quote:Could be. However I'm more interested in how Rags gets even more feathers for his nest! I'm more interested in the dispersal of GMO's into Europe myself. Go Monsanto, baby.

What's best for all is best for me.

Quote:Have you considered that perhaps the era of integration has ended and the era of dissolution has started.
Nothing in this universe is permanent.

That's not how it's supposed to be, except maybe for a couple of decades. The long-term trend remains integration. That's the nature of the age we live in. Planets in Aries now tend toward the same direction as in the 1860s. So I understand that; Aries is individualistic. But the age we live in since the 1890s is still globalizing and collectivizing of wealth and power.

Quote:(me) The generational breakdown clearly shows that young people thought the union benefited them and was not "the establishment."

(Rags) With age comes wisdom, man.

Election results in the USA and now in England tell a far different story. NO. And it wasn't true in the sixties either. NO, youth is often wiser.

Yes, it's what I say, and I am correct.

Quote:LOL! Rag's identity = US citizen.  From my experience at work, methinks the young are tied down to Ishits.

I don't remember what Ishits are (i-phones and stuff?), but your identity Rags is yours individually. It is your passions and your unique talents, not what group you belong to. That is just what authority tells you your identity is. Your true identity belongs to you, not the state, religion, race, etc. Identifying as an American or a white boy is just being an authoritarian; in popular parlance, it's fascistic.

Quote:2. Pssst.  Eurocrats are the high priests of Neo-liberalism man.  The sooner Eric does a bit of research , the smarter he'll be.

Neo-liberalism is powered by the Reaganuts here in America. Europe has been far more advanced and socialistic. The right-wing in Europe has been equivalent to center-left here. But NOW we have this nationalist, xenophobic wave. I thought that the Arab Spring refugee wave was a passing thing that Europeans would react to for a while, but get over once it passed. There has been a degree of openness already to immigrants such as Turks and Africans, but it's this wave from Syria that has tipped Europe into xenophobia. It was a lot for them to handle all at once, and there's no end in sight. I'm not real clear on who the immigrants or refugees were specifically that the English are reacting against, but the Arab Spring wave seems to have tipped the balance.

But if the English voted against freedom of movement, then they can't have their cake and eat it too. It will have to end. Europeans in England will have to go home and English in Europe will have to come home. Travel and trade will be just as hard to do with Britain now as it is with Russia or China. You'll need a visa to travel there and a green card to live there. You'll need to show your papers when you get off the chunnel train. England is no longer part of Europe; it's a stuffy, haughty, snobbish and fearful island and should be treated as such. I think the USA and England should not be the close allies we have been, too. I say, fuck 'em.

Quote:TPP, TPIP =  LAWLESS greed.

NO, they are two different deals. But England is now in the back of the priority list. (How do you spell that q word that Obama used?)