Brexit Results

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Eric The Green Wrote:No, it depends on which countries are involved, and what they agree to.

I've been discussing the TPIP trade agreements in my discussion of Brexit.  That's the only one.
Look at this again, please.

Wiki Wrote:The contents of the competing proposals as well as of the reports on TTIP negotiations are classified from the public,[6] but after a proposed draft was leaked in March 2014,[7] the European Commission launched a public consultation on a limited set of clauses and in January 2015 published parts of an overview;[8] and subsequently increased security over its secrecy.[6]
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The [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commission]European Commission says that the TTIP would boost the EU's economy by €120 billion, the US economy by €90 billion and the rest of the world by €100 billion.[9] According to Foreign Affairs, TTIP aims to "liberalise one-third of global trade" that, they argue, would create millions of new paid jobs.[10] However, a Guardian article by Dean Baker of the US thinktank Center for Economic and Policy Research[11][12][13] argued that the economic benefits per household would be relatively small,[14] and according to a European Parliament report, impacts on labour conditions range from job gains to job losses, depending on economic model and assumptions used for predictions.[15]

1. It's classified and somebody leaked some goodies on it.  Read the above, it's the EU that's trying to ram this piece of shit in secret.  That is not democracy, that's bought and paid for corporatism.

2. It's like NAFTA and it will never, ever create jobs.

3. The EU was more interested in increased security over its secrecy.  That means the EU is a coven of bought and paid for witches.

Rags Wrote:I'd venture to say any ABC candidate qualifies in his/her own way.

Eric The Green Wrote:And maybe C too, in her own way.

You might want to take a gander of Cankles Clinton's big donor list.  I know I did.  That way I know which stocks to research.  Just look at this jewel, it's HUUUGE.  

Rest assured, if neocon hawk Clinton get's elected, I will be watching defense stocks like a hawk!

* hawk award for Rags

Quote:Oh, but if any of those trade agreements passes, that goes down the drain. Did you manage to read that letter from Greece I posted?

Eric Wrote: Probably. But no, it depends.

Here's the short edition.  The Greek people have been burned by the bailouts. They are upholding their end on enduring austerity.  However any and all bailout funds go the Greece's creditors and they do nothing to reduce Greece's over all debt load.  Since the problem [ debt load] is not getting solved with the EU's so called solution, Rags proposes the Iceland nuclear option, just default and be done with it.  Greece shouldn't give a rat's ass if it causes some EU zone banks to implode.

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Rags Wrote:Could be. However I'm more interested in how Rags gets even more feathers for his nest! I'm more interested in the dispersal of GMO's into Europe myself. Go Monsanto, baby.

Eric Wrote:What's best for all is best for me.

The way I see it, lots of fat cats and elected officials try to justify "what's best for me" with weasel words.  I prefer to be upfront and just come out and say it bluntly.  Of course Eric should recheck horscope thingies and realize Tauri have an attraction to pecuniary stuff.  

Quote:Have you considered that perhaps the era of integration has ended and the era of dissolution has started.
Nothing in this universe is permanent.

Quote:That's not how it's supposed to be, except maybe for a couple of decades. The long-term trend remains integration. That's the nature of the age we live in. Planets in Aries now tend toward the same direction as in the 1860s. So I understand that; Aries is individualistic. But the age we live in since the 1890s is still globalizing and collectivizing of wealth and power.

After Aries comes Taurus.  That means the whole world will than devote itself to pecuniary goals.  I can hardly wait.

Quote:(me) The generational breakdown clearly shows that young people thought the union benefited them and was not "the establishment."

(Rags) With age comes wisdom, man.

Quote:Election results in the USA and now in England tell a far different story. NO. And it wasn't true in the sixties either. NO, youth is often wiser.

Nope, older folks see that TPIP train coming down the track. The UK got off that train before the inevitable
train wreck.


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Quote:Yes, it's what I say, and I am correct.

Whatever.

Quote:LOL! Rag's identity = US citizen.  From my experience at work, methinks the young are tied down to Ishits.

Quote:I don't remember what Ishits are (i-phones and stuff?)

Very good.   Ishits are my generic term for  overpriced electronic gizmos.  Some people buy upgrades which are not necessary.   That's an example of herd behavior.

Quote:, but your identity Rags is yours individually. It is your passions and your unique talents, not what group you belong to. That is just what authority tells you your identity is.

Well, I have to pick a tribe.  I can't choose Swedish because I don't live in Sweden and I can't choose Cherokee because that's incomplete.

Quote:Your true identity belongs to you, not the state, religion, race, etc. Identifying as an American or a white boy is just being an authoritarian; in popular parlance, it's fascistic.

No it isn't.  I just go along to get along on what's  on my birth certificate.  White boy is also incomplete of course.

Quote:2. Pssst.  Eurocrats are the high priests of Neo-liberalism man.  The sooner Eric does a bit of research , the smarter he'll be.

Eric Wrote:Neo-liberalism is powered by the Reaganuts here in America. Europe has been far more advanced and socialistic. The right-wing in Europe has been equivalent to center-left here. But NOW we have this nationalist, xenophobic wave. I thought that the Arab Spring refugee wave was a passing thing that Europeans would react to for a while, but get over once it passed.

1. Has Eric considered Kulturkampf ?
2. Both Bill Clinton in the 1990's [remember the repeal of Glass Steagall? ] and Hillary are both neo liberals.
To paraphrase Nixon, both the Democratic party and the Republican party are all neo-liberals now.  Yes, there are some exceptions like Sanders and emergant shift/realignment segment of Republicans.
http://www.investors.com/politics/editor...ade-party/
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/de...ill-117066

So, it's a 4th turning and the eagerly awaited realignment is nigh.  The names may remain the same, but the policies will change.

Quote:There has been a degree of openness already to immigrants such as Turks and Africans, but it's this wave from Syria that has tipped Europe into xenophobia.

There have been rapes you know..
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/346059

So, it is for good reason that resentment is growing.  Feminists are gonna have a hard time.  Either they defend women in Europe AND demand border controls or they discredit themselves.  There is no other way.  That's a nice feature of 4th turnings.  There arise situations where  choices and consequences are demanded.


It was a lot for them to handle all at once, and there's no end in sight. I'm not real clear on who the immigrants or refugees were specifically that the English are reacting against, but the Arab Spring wave seems to have tipped the balance.

Quote:But if the English voted against freedom of movement, then they can't have their cake and eat it too.

The folks who voted Brexit are too damn poor to move anyhow. No loss there.

Quote:It will have to end. Europeans in England will have to go home and English in Europe will have to come home.

Maybe H1-B similars?  I'd like all H1-B's here to go away.  1-way tickets can be awesome at times.

Quote:Travel and trade will be just as hard to do with Britain now as it is with Russia or China. You'll need a visa to travel there and a green card to live there. You'll need to show your papers when you get off the chunnel train.

I've been to Stavanger Norway.  It's no sweat to get a damn passport.  You don't need papers if you have a passport.  I think that's all that will be required.  Norway has no special stuff for US citizens.  Swedes yes.

Quote:England is no longer part of Europe; it's a stuffy, haughty, snobbish and fearful island and should be treated as such. I think the USA and England should not be the close allies we have been, too. I say, fuck 'em.

Awwwww, Eric's disappointed in historical Anglo-Saxon behavior. We're gonna be allies due to historical tribal ties.
Canada, Australia, US, UK, and New Zealand have long lived tribal and historical ties.  Tribal ties are also the main reason our dodos at the state department and defense department can't figure out the Middle East.

Quote:TPP, TPIP =  LAWLESS greed.

Quote:NO, they are two different deals. But England is now in the back of the priority list. (How do you spell that q word that Obama used?)

1. Yes, different deals.
2. Both are huge bull markets for Monsanto and Exxon Mobil though.  Perhaps Eric can feather his nest ... just like Rags.  I can't decide if said trade agreements get ratified, but I can make investment choices based on ratification or non ratification.