Who Can Beat Trump?

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(09-08-2018, 05:47 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I tend to use the word 'base' rather than insults and demeaning descriptions like 'simpleton'.  I respect the concepts behind both parties bases somewhat.

I do find the gun issue and the Second Amendment reverses certain trends.  Generally, you would find progressives on the side of the arrow of progress and The Enlightenment rights.  However, the blue base generally goes for gun prohibition, while it is the reds who are going with the old right.  As long as the prohibitions are limited to felons and mentally incompetent, let them try prohibition, but prohibitions are notoriously difficult to enforce and enable the criminal element.

It is easy to see how the parties reversed on this issue.  Weapons fit better in the rural environment, and police response time is longer as population density decreases.  Hunting is more common in rural areas.  The need to try something to ease gun violence in cities is distant from the more rural Republican base.  This reverses the usual position of the progressives favoring equality and rights.  It is also why I fence with Pbower and Eric on this issue.  I am laying cause less with the reds than staying consistently progressive.  The arrow of progress suggests a strengthening of the Right to own and carry weapons.

I generally sympathize with the bases and consider many of their ideas good ones.  However, when stereotypes are involved, I get doubtful.  The blue include stereotypes of the red as rednecks, hillbillies and gun nuts.  David Horn on this site and the book Hillbilly Eulogy both fish modern blue stereotypes.  The red might reply with their stereotypes of the welfare mother, and people who exploit government handouts.   All might have some truth, but I have met far more people than stereotypes.

I have problems when people too much vote their stereotypes.  Voting for small government, low taxes and the Second Amendment is fine.  Voting for a politician who promises these things but delivers support for the elites and the Swamp is less fine.  Voting for a millionaire narcissistic liar?

Now, I don't see you as the base.  I see you as an extremist and an oddity.

I use similar terms and similar tactics as the blues. I counter forms of intimidation with an equal but different form of intimidation. If a blue can be a dickhead, I can be an asshole and society for the most part isn't going to have much of a problem with it. The blues don't seem to understand that they act like a bunch of arrogant dickheads who have developed a false sense of security that's associated the cozy blue worlds and cozy blue segments of American that they've created for themselves and their ideology. Outside of their cozy world, the blues are viewed fair game and open to extreme criticism, the use of extreme language and extreme terms and treatment that isn't viewed by most as being nice.