06-26-2016, 10:02 AM
(This post was last modified: 06-26-2016, 10:24 AM by Eric the Green.)
(06-25-2016, 07:06 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:BUT.... I like witches!Wiki Wrote:The contents of the competing proposals as well as of the reports on TTIP negotiations are classified from the public,[6] but after a proposed draft was leaked in March 2014,[7] the European Commission launched a public consultation on a limited set of clauses and in January 2015 published parts of an overview;[8] and subsequently increased security over its secrecy.[6]
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The [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commission]European Commission says that the TTIP would boost the EU's economy by €120 billion, the US economy by €90 billion and the rest of the world by €100 billion.[9] According to Foreign Affairs, TTIP aims to "liberalise one-third of global trade" that, they argue, would create millions of new paid jobs.[10] However, a Guardian article by Dean Baker of the US thinktank Center for Economic and Policy Research[11][12][13] argued that the economic benefits per household would be relatively small,[14] and according to a European Parliament report, impacts on labour conditions range from job gains to job losses, depending on economic model and assumptions used for predictions.[15]
1. It's classified and somebody leaked some goodies on it. Read the above, it's the EU that's trying to ram this piece of shit in secret. That is not democracy, that's bought and paid for corporatism.
2. It's like NAFTA and it will never, ever create jobs.
3. The EU was more interested in increased security over its secrecy. That means the EU is a coven of bought and paid for witches.
They are unfairly maligned by superstitious, dogmatic folks.I don't know if it's not democratic. The leaders of the EU are ministers from the various countries, who have their positions because of elections in the various countries. Congress decides on trade deals in the USA; they are not directly voted upon. Same thing.
I don't know if I am in favor of the European-American trade deal or not. I of course don't want to see secret corporate control that stifles regulations on labor, the environment, etc. But nothing I see from you or elsewhere is enough to fully make up my mind. I lean in favor, because of the point I made that you are ignoring. Free trade among equal partners on the same economic and political level are good for their economies. The common market helped Western Europe to recover and prosper. The USA and Europe are on a fairly equal footing. The USA and Mexico are not. Neither are the USA and the Asian Pacific Rim. So this European deal is not like NAFTA or TPP.
Quote:You might want to take a gander of Cankles Clinton's big donor list. I know I did. That way I know which stocks to research. Just look at this jewel, it's HUUUGE.
Rest assured, if neocon hawk Clinton get's elected, I will be watching defense stocks like a hawk!
* hawk award for Rags
Clinton is not much influenced by her campaign money. She is just playing the game, and is all in favor of changing it. She is just not as bold as Bernie in relying on small contributions. She should be, but most Democrats are not, since they consider it "unilateral disarmament." Clinton is more hawkish than Obama, by a degree, but that does not make her a hawk compared to the neo-cons. You keep forgetting, Rags, that over-simplified exaggeration is not a good approach to policy or choosing candidates. Just as over-simplified, brash loudness is not a good approach to music. I see a common link of temperament there in your approach. Bash things! Go overboard! It may be a common attitude among Jonesers and core Xers; I don't know.
Quote:Here's the short edition. The Greek people have been burned by the bailouts. They are upholding their end on enduring austerity. However any and all bailout funds go the Greece's creditors and they do nothing to reduce Greece's over all debt load. Since the problem [ debt load] is not getting solved with the EU's so called solution, Rags proposes the Iceland nuclear option, just default and be done with it. Greece shouldn't give a rat's ass if it causes some EU zone banks to implode.
I don't know. Austerity is not a good approach. The European economy needs stimulus. They are copying America instead. But Europe was also at a disadvantage because it didn't have a FED. Now it does, and that may help.
I don't know why giving money to Greece's creditors doesn't reduce their debt. Isn't their debt owed to their creditors? I don't know if default and be done with it is the right approach.
But I do know that Greece itself was dominated by economic elites who absorb most of the wealth in that society. Greece needs to take some of that wealth away, as well as get its own small businesses going rather than be too dependent on the state. A state that pays people their salaries, but does not require the wealthy to contribute, cannot be solvent.
Quote:The way I see it, lots of fat cats and elected officials try to justify "what's best for me" with weasel words. I prefer to be upfront and just come out and say it bluntly. Of course Eric should recheck horoscope thingies and realize Tauri have an attraction to pecuniary stuff.
Yes I know. Honesty is the best policy too. Still, people can see further beyond their inclinations if they choose to.
Quote:After Aries comes Taurus. That means the whole world will than devote itself to pecuniary goals. I can hardly wait.Pecuniary goals means greed. That also means support for policies based on greed which you don't like. When money is seen only as a means to ends, not as an end in itself, the people prosper. Seek first the things of the Spirit, and all these things will be yours as well.
The previous period was better, when people could see beyond narrowing limits. I am hoping this time around Taurus also means respect and care for the Earth, and pecuniary benefit through the green energy revolution. When Uranus goes into Taurus in 2018, I expect the green energy industry boom to fully take off.
Quote:Nope, older folks see that TPIP train coming down the track. The UK got off that train before the inevitable
train wreck.
Older folks were voting on cultural and economic xenophobia and resentment against immigrants, not on a trade deal which may happen even despite Brexit.
Quote:Very good. Ishits are my generic term for overpriced electronic gizmos. Some people buy upgrades which are not necessary. That's an example of herd behavior.
Yes I agree with you on that.
Quote:Well, I have to pick a tribe. I can't choose Swedish because I don't live in Sweden and I can't choose Cherokee because that's incomplete.
No, you or anyone does not have to pick a tribe. In our times tribes are irrelevant. They mean next to nothing. Geneology is interesting and all, but I am nothing at all like my ancestors and I don't even have much in common with my parents, let alone all the English, Germans and Dutch etc. My identity has been shaped by my own talents and interests, not by my ancestry or which government entity happens to control where I live. Nationality means very little to peoples' real identity, except that people like what they are used to. Diversity and multi-culturalism is relatively new, and people just have to get used to it, since it's inevitable.
Quote:1. Has Eric considered Kulturkampf ?The Kulterkamp was the culture wars, and that's 3T. It influences the 4T, but it's just the reactionary element of it. The 4T re-alignment will be the decisive defeat of reactionary xenophobia, neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism; "the whole lot" as Kenneth Clark might say!
2. Both Bill Clinton in the 1990's [remember the repeal of Glass Steagall? ] and Hillary are both neo liberals.
To paraphrase Nixon, both the Democratic party and the Republican party are all neo-liberals now. Yes, there are some exceptions like Sanders and emergant shift/realignment segment of Republicans.
http://www.investors.com/politics/editor...ade-party/
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/de...ill-117066
So, it's a 4th turning and the eagerly awaited realignment is nigh. The names may remain the same, but the policies will change.
Lumping Clinton together with Republican neo-liberals and neo-conservatives is just more over-simplified thinking. It ain't so; it's a matter of degree. The so-called emergent shift among Republicans is just more neo-liberalism. Trump may be neo-liberalism on steroids, considering his tax and deregulation proposals. There's more to Trump than just his over-wrought and xenophobic opposition to free trade.
Quote:There have been rapes you know..
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/346059
So, it is for good reason that resentment is growing. Feminists are gonna have a hard time. Either they defend women in Europe AND demand border controls or they discredit themselves. There is no other way. That's a nice feature of 4th turnings. There arise situations where choices and consequences are demanded.
Sounds like Trump's description of Mexicans. "They're rapists."
Quote:Quote:But if the English voted against freedom of movement, then they can't have their cake and eat it too.
The folks who voted Brexit are too damn poor to move anyhow. No loss there.
Then what's with their politicians who are trying to "negotiate" a soft-landing for their exit?
Those who voted Brexist are also the corporate elites who want deregulation so they can oppress their people.
Quote:Maybe H1-B similars? I'd like all H1-B's here to go away. 1-way tickets can be awesome at times.Don't know what that is.
Quote:I've been to Stavanger Norway. It's no sweat to get a damn passport. You don't need papers if you have a passport. I think that's all that will be required. Norway has no special stuff for US citizens. Swedes yes.
Maybe tourists can go there with a passport, but Brexit is about limiting people from freely living and working in the various EU countries.
Quote:Awwwww, Eric's disappointed in historical Anglo-Saxon behavior. We're gonna be allies due to historical tribal ties.
Canada, Australia, US, UK, and New Zealand have long lived tribal and historical ties. Tribal ties are also the main reason our dodos at the state department and defense department can't figure out the Middle East.
Maybe; the anglo-sphere will still exist. But yes, I am disappointed. But, of course, xenophobia is not limited to anglos. The Middle East is far more tribal than the anglo-sphere. We're supposed to be better than that; not sink back toward their level.
Quote:1. Yes, different deals.
2. Both are huge bull markets for Monsanto and Exxon Mobil though. Perhaps Eric can feather his nest ... just like Rags. I can't decide if said trade agreements get ratified, but I can make investment choices based on ratification or non ratification.
I don't know; Europe restricts GMOs and other Monsanto misbehavior. The European trade deal may not be as corporate as the TPP and NAFTA. Since Europe has better regulations against corporate takeovers and misbehavior compared to America, if anything it may be LESS favorable to the big companies to HAVE the trade deal than NOT to have it.
Meanwhile, the best investment advice is not to pick and choose but to invest in indexed funds. Knowledgable people have proven this to be the fact. Just relax and don't try to pick and choose. You lose that way. The market moves too fast, and big investors have a huge advantage over the little guy.