09-24-2018, 03:32 PM
(09-24-2018, 01:59 PM)David Horn Wrote:(09-24-2018, 03:58 AM)Galen Wrote: You are wrong about this but you can't understand why. Why is it that every time socialism has been tried it has failed badly every time. You would do well to consider what Rothbard had to say about Egalitarianism. Come to think of it what Mises had to say about Socialism might me of some value.
Eric ... is an idiot and always has been. Socialism can not and will not ever work for the simple reason that central planning in any form can not work. The death of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact should have taught you that. If the current experience of Venezuela can't teach you that then you truly are too stupid to live.
Why do you libertarian types equate socialism (ownership of the means of production by the workers themselves) with communism (central ownership and planning). Essentially, they are as similar as beer and gasoline. Capitalism, on the other hand, makes no allowance for distribution outside the ownership class. As jobs are replaced by machines, and all business receipts are held for the owners, how do the prior workers eat, to say nothing of buying all the goods and services capitalist enterprise creates? Since you foreswear all communal methods to distribute outside your narrow structure, capitalism just dies.
Note: socialism as I stated it is the most extreme version. Most neo-socialists prefer a mixed but well regulated economy.
I'd like Galen to explain how extreme inequality is either (1) necessary for or (2) irrelevant to human freedom and progress. Under Galen's ideal, any reduction in the input of labor implies that competition would drive wages down to zero or near such.
Nobody can yet deny that workers have nothing to sell but their toil.
If he says "become capitalists", then such is not for everyone. You would be surprised at how bad some people are at record-keeping. Many people want an hourly wage instead of a feast-or-famine income. Besides, people without income cannot be customers.
We will need some sort of welfare state just to keep people alive if they have no jobs.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.