Brexit Results

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(06-27-2016, 11:41 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Wow, this riff is getting long! Get me my purple pill and a glass of brown ale!

Uh, don't folks kinda say the same about you ?  I mean, if there's some sort of issue that one cares about, then there are soapboxes to be had.  I dunno why person x grabs a soapbox at times, but it happens and I just go along to get along.

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Eric Wrote:(me)I don't know if I am in favor of the European-American trade deal or not. I of course don't want to see secret corporate control that stifles regulations on labor, the environment, etc.

I agree.  You're free to pick whether you want to research it yourself or not. I'm not the one to determine where your priorities lay.

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Eric Wrote:That's what the TPP for the US is and the TPIP is for Europe and the US. If you're right, then I oppose it. 

  I'm just stating my position based on my research.  This is just something I care about. If I determine that somebody's keeping a legislative item secret, I want to know what it is and why they're not disclosing the relevant information.

Quote:Mend it, don't end it. Make the EU more democratic. Don't blow it up.

This just in.

TaleofTwoTreaties Wrote:If anyone needs another confirmation that the European Union is fundamentally the most anti-democratic entity currently in existence, then the following statement by European Parliament Martin Schultz should put all confusion to rest.

Schulz: "The British have violated the rules. It is not the EU philosophy that the crowd can decide its fate".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Schulz

Obviously, I beg to differ.  Martin Schluz is obviously an arrogant asshole in dire need of an attitude adjustment.  I say let the dynamite sticks fly.  That attitude is pretty darn pervasive.

Quote:That's what I say. The EU has many positive purposes, but it should allow regional control too and not be controlled by the big money guys. I guess you say that's a feeble hope. But anger over the status quo is something that the media and the politicians like Trump are mis-directing.

Obviously, I again beg to differ.  The EU has gone on longer that its past due date.

Quote: Hillary is not the Establishment or the status quo. To make change, you need good, thoughtful, experienced politicians like Hillary who know how to make it, not phony capitalist pig posers like Trump.

We'll just agree to disagree on Hillary. My vote goes for Jill Stein and I don't want any more details, my mind is made up.

Quote:So why do economic entities just toss money away then?

Eric Wrote:They hope for influence, but they don't necessarily get it.

I refer you to Mikebert's post.  I agree with that and the reasoning suffices to explain my logic.

Quote:It isn't unilateral disarmament.   I bet if the DNC got behind Sanders like they did Clinton as per leaked DNC files, then Bernie would have been the nominee. Since I've decided, based on the leaked documents , that the DNC decided to be one sided, I'm going to say the hell with them and again, vote for Jill Stein.  I do not suffer obvious bias by political parties.

Eric Wrote:No, I don't go there, and would not make that bet, even though I like Bernie better. Hillary won the vote. And it doesn't matter who endorses you; that doesn't define you. Policies, skills and decisions define a politician.

OK, we'll just agree to disagree on whether the DNC runs itself in a "proper manner".

Quote:Because feathering your nest is not what life is about.

That's not the purpose. The purpose is to rid myself of being pissed off.

Quote:But, but, IIRC you by some means there's Saturn messing up Rag's stuff.

Eric Wrote:Not that I know of right now. That's past by now for you.

I thought you said something about Saturn's return and how it messes up folks who are I think 55 to I think 60 political careers. 

Quote:I think the older folks are just xenophobic and nostalgic for the old days of pure England without all those fereners. Since the TPIP (European-American trade deal I assume you mean) will probably happen anyway, it's irrelevant to the Brexit vote. THAT vote was about stopping the "freedom of movement" whereby "fereners" can come live in Britain and "steal our jobs" (which they aren't doing). Same crap as the Trumpsters.

That may be one reason.  I just think political decisions are more multi faceted than melanin content. Globalization and the fallout of job losses , elected officials being bought off, and financial engineering would be other issues.

Quote:Uh, that's for the most part Boomers.  What happened to that youthful idealism?

I don't know. They forgot. They should chill out to some Dead and Marvin Gaye, or rock out to their wonderful British rockers like the imaginer John Lennon & The Beatles, the Stones, Led Zepp or The Who. Older people get lazy and forget who they are. They let their bodies and minds go. I don't agree with that approach to life. Stay as young as you can in all ways for as long as you can.

Quote:Maybe, but I also look different. The difference in lifestyle from those old hard days would show. Also, of course, looks don't matter that much, in that regard. My identity is much more than my looks and my DNA.

But, but, maybe Eric has bad melanin deprivation syndrome.  If Eric goes to the beach and doesn't use sunscreen, he might look like a lobster.

Quote:I think she's a neocon herself because other neocons like here.  I even have a position in a defense stock, United Technologies in place for the expected Clinton win.  I may not like her, but at least I've done something to profit from her.  Since I can't get those juicy speaking fees like her, at least I can profit from her.  That's another way I mollify my anger.  In short, finding some way, some how to make money on something that pisses me off works wonders to bring peace to my soul.  

Quote:I dissent from your conclusion. The neo-cons have nowhere else to go. Most of them realize Trump is a wild card and it's crazy to trust him with any kind of codes or any kind of power. Hillary is sensible and a mix of hawk and dove. I would never adopt your way of finding peace with neo-cons. In the case of Hillary, I generally agree with some of her hawkish stances, so I'm OK with her. No doubt she has been wrong on some things too. But, so are all presidents.

Yes, there is another place for them to go:

Eric Wrote:I don't agree that immigrants are predominantly rapists. You just put them in jail; not exclude refugees who through not fault of their own have to escape tyranny and death at least for a while. I don't understand why some people don't have compassion for these Syrian refugees. It's the tragedy of our time and people need to help them where they can.

1. Do you think they should be screened before entry?
2. Merkel was dumb in saying "just come".
3. I mean, really, even my Swedish ancestors got processed before being just let in. I have photo copies of their immigration documents.

Quote:Of course. The point is only that Trump said that, and he got votes for saying it. Votes from Republicans, which proves my contention that they are stupid. Voting Republican proves you are stupid, or at least you've lost your marbles for a while, at least in that area of activity and thought.

LOL!  I think I found Eric's soapbox.  So, why do you grab soapboxes?

Quote:The EU is going to probably do as they should, and let the British elites lie in their own bed. They made their fortunes; let them experience the results of the hard landing they voted and campaigned for.

I agree.  Confrontation and consequences is the way to go.  It needs to be used more often.

Quote:H1-B is a sort of work visa where companies can hire foreign workers to work in the US.  The intent of the visa is to relive labor shortages.  However it's used in financial engineering to replace US workers with cheap imported foreign labor.

Quote:OK yes; I know that first hand here in Silicon Valley. I think it's mostly used here by companies who think the foreigners like those from India are better educated. I don't think they can get away with not paying them well though, because even foreigners need a place to live, and living here can't happen on the cheap. Maybe elsewhere; but I think these better-educated workers are mostly used in blue states where they have to pay them well in order for them to live here.  Blue (especially coastal) states are mostly high tech and have high costs of living. If they are just factory or farm workers, or in plants re-located to red/right-to-work states, less-educated poor migrants will do. There's plenty of those already here.

http://business.blog.myajc.com/2015/10/1...-overseas/

OK, so why is Sun Trust being an ass and asking current workers to train their replacements?

Btw,  Sun Trust is in dire need of a bank run.  Companies that due that deserve a chapter 7 collapse.

Quote:H1-B hmmmmmmmmmm;;;; sounds like a virus.

It can certainly be thought of like that.  It's like Zika and fucks brains up.

Quote:TPP/TPIP override any regulations that may keep Monsanto's misbehavior in check.  Under either treaty, Monsanto gains the right to sue over anything that messes up its profits.  

Eric Wrote:I'm thinking the Europeans are not going to agree to all that. Have they?

It depends on whether the EU has been bought and paid for and thus serves this up to its masters.

Quote:OK, best of luck with your exams, as they would say in The Village. I note, though, that the reports I saw about indexed funds being the best are very recent, 4T-era reports.

? . I didn't know a fitness club had exams.
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