10-23-2018, 05:05 PM
(10-23-2018, 04:01 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:(10-23-2018, 03:43 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:(10-23-2018, 01:57 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:(10-22-2018, 11:19 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: We already live in a world society, since 1892. We only tried to hold back the inevitable tide in the 1920s, and now people who grew up in a white country are wondering what happened again to their white country. Immigration restriction laws were always racist. I documented that in a previous post. Again, as I keep reminding you, no, the immigration issue doesn't have to be partisan. That's why Bush and Obama agreed on a reasonable approach, and why a bipartisan group in the senate proposed a reasonable law and passed it. But the fanatical right-wing idiots in the Tea Party House blocked it. It proved to be the best issue for Trumpty Dumpty to run on. "They're not sending their best. They're bringing drugs, their bringing crime; they're rapists..." Bullshit.
More immigrants will not make us a shithole country. Sure, we need to cut down on population growth, in a humane way by increasing womens' rights and prosperity in all countries.
1. Legal immigration policy shouldn't be political. Likewise illegal immigration shouldn't be political. Illegal immigration is bad because you get too many people and I think that immigration is a privilege, not a right.
2. So you have two stupid positions. Assigning bad stuff like drugs,criminality, etc. is not correct for legal immigration. Likewise anyone who supports illegal immigration is also wrong. There are limits to the amount of resources available in the US. Immigration policy needs to take that into account. Also, illegals work under the table so that drains tax revenue. It also gives unfair advantage to employers who hire them. So with that, we need to have E-verify strictly enforced with strict fines for back taxes, tax evasion, and a huge fine for hiring illegal aliens to keep companies from doing that stuff. I bet it was a fabulous issue for Trump because nobody has done squat about illegal immigration. Folks are fed up with that nonsense. And... I don't care for race baiters who say any restrictions whatsoever on immigration is "dats razzists."
3. More people = more shit. Yeah we're already a shithole country, so more people will by default make us even moreso.
4. "Immigrants make good workers and business people and good customers." Really? That's the exact position of Neoliberals! Honestly, I truly hate Neoliberals and want them all to burn in hell. Maybe climate change will send a lot of their shit into the water to be homes to the fishes.
5. Women's rights and family planning. Yes, that's an excellent idea. That's one of few things I'd support foreign aid on.
1. "Too many people" is a worldwide question. I live on Planet Earth. The USA is an abstraction.
2. It is too hard for some deserving immigrants to come here. There needs to be liberal asylum availability, given the amount of tyranny in the world. True, it would be better if they stayed in their country and fought a civil war. But that's really asking them to get killed. Illegals shouldn't work under the table. They should be required to be paid minimum wage. They should be asked to pay a fine and show themselves to be good citizens. Not enough resources? I don't know what that means. The whole planet is running out of resources we don't need anymore.
Obama was doing a lot on illegal immigration; he was Deporter in Chief and illegal immigration went way down. Trump did not use the issue because it was necessary; he used it only because he knew there are a lot of prejudiced, hateful people in the USA that he could rally behind him with false accusations, and who would vote for his hate-pandering. There was nothing to be "fed up with" at all, except to be fed up with Trump's race-baiting.
4. I didn't know neo-cons were those who say immigrants make good workers and business people and good customers. No, liberals say that, because it's the truth. Neo-cons start wars for no reason except to impose our economic needs and greeds upon other countries.
1. The US is real. I use US currency everyday. My birth certificate states I'm a US citizen. I pay taxes to the US government. The US government and subsidiaries protect and defend me and my property. I'm subject to the laws of the US government and subsidiaries, etc.
2. Obama's position on immigration was a big plus.
3. OK. So how many immigrants should be allowed then. Do we allow say 300 million and double our population?
4. I said Neoliberals not Neocons.
5. It's the Neocons who are dumb idealists who think we can create democracies at the barrel of the gun. Everything they have touched has turned the shit. They need to just fucking get booted out. They're too damn dangerous to be near any place of power. Note, Trump has a basket full of Neocons in his administration. I really wish the Democrats would run someone like Tulsi Gabbord. She deserves to be the first Woman POTUS instead of that hack , Hillary.
1. Legalities are abstract. What's real is the planet. But I understand your point. Institutions exist. But that's all set up by us. Our foundation is the planet, and there are no lines on it. And the world society of today and the last 125 years is an undisputable fact.
3. I liked the bipartisan bill. I don't think quotas are possible, but it's probably wise not to let in too many people at once and overwhelm our systems. But I guess that's a case by case situation and I don't have an answer.
4. I stand corrected. The point still applies; it is a liberal position, not a neo-liberal one.
5. True. Tulsi Gabbard might have a chance against a weak opponent. Her score is 11-6. I don't like her because she peddled the lies and conspiracy theories about Syria. I can never overlook that. Assad is the biggest creep on the planet, and he started and continues the war against his people with support from Russia and Iran. The USA did not start or participate in that war, beyond lobbing a few bombs over chemical weapons and sending some inadequate aid too late to the freedom Syrians. I imagine she's good on some other issues, and who knows, if she's the best alternative I might vote for her. But probably I would vote Green if it is an option. According to my estimate she probably wouldn't run for a decade yet. She cannot beat Trump. I mentioned this in my video.