First Turning "purge"

[Eric the Green]

(10-29-2018, 06:21 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote:

(10-28-2018, 04:36 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Earth and Nature DO give us our life, although Nature includes Spirit too. But our descendants are not going to be living on Mars. Maybe a few adventurous souls will stay there for a while, and then come home. There will be no "terraforming," (yes I say confidently), and even if there were, Mars is too small to hold our teeming billions.

I believe the opposite. We need to spread and colonize the stars. This is a duty, in order to realize the potential of the Universe and fill its voids with life. For our mental and emotional enrichment we also need contact with other modes of intelligence and personality (whether naturally evolved on other planets or artificial made by us). The choice is between the extropian adventure in the Cosmos and stagnation. Without constant expansion our existence will cease to be an adventure. Art and philosophy will be able only to reiterate old achievements. Social order will become stereotyped, until some natural disaster destroys us. Such are the costs of abandoning space exploration.

The adventure we need today is the reawakening to Earth, and to higher consciousness of Spirit. Art and philosophy have many new avenues to explore, were the 2T awakening of the sixties and earlier ones sincerely appreciated, and the inner space within us explored. The human potential movement, forgotten by millennials and rejected by Xers, is the only true frontier. Mere material conquests, whether on Earth or in Space, are boring. We cannot spread a failed civilization to other planets or into space. We must create a successful civilization here. THAT is the challenge, which we are a long, long way off from achieving. According to my cosmic calendar, expansion into space will not be a major factor until the 25th century. By then, the myth as you call it below will be a routine reality.

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Quote:Earth is indeed the most unique planet not only in our puny solar system, but perhaps in our entire galaxy. This is indicated to us by the traits of the lights in our sky, the Sun and Moon. They literally reflect the most precious and radiant metals in the universe, gold and silver respectively. This indication is further expressed by the fact that these two lights are the same size when viewed from Earth, and by all the mathematical proportions among our lights and planets that indicate the special harmony that exists here in this solar system as experienced and viewed from here on Earth. And the spirit life of Earth is so amazingly beautiful, inspiring and alive that other alien beings who have expanded into the galaxy come here to steal our DNA and otherwise learn from the special living beings here who have such perfect bodies and amazing spirits.

You seriously believe in this myth? Or is this your response to me quoting Orion's Arm myths?

Of course Orion's Arm is in no way a religious prophecy (I was ridiculed on another forum for quoting it), but it shows a civilization we should strive to become.

Orion's Arm is an obscure website culture. I don't remember if my statement is a response to it. My impression is that you don't appreciate enough the unique value and place in the cosmos of the Earth. That is something which I champion by pointing out these facts.

So many people have been visited and abducted already by aliens, that I feel that by the 25th century this contact will have become well entrenched. If we humans someday can venture out into other planets and star systems, as you assert, then there can be little doubt that other civilizations have already arisen and developed the ability to visit us. Our star system is a 4 billion year old wonder in a 13 billion-year old universe. I doubt we are the first.

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Quote:If technology remain a means, and not the ends, or the evolutionary destination, then technology can serve us well. But only if humans are clear about what the goals of life are for which tech is a means, and about how our technology can advance the interests of all of life, and not just human life. Future tech must be what was recently (before millennials) called "appropriate" for the values of the Whole Earth. The Catalogue of that name is still relevant, along with Mother Earth News, although ignored right now by most millennials who live in their smart phones (millennials are wonderful in many ways, don't get me wrong, I love millennials, but they may be more limited in their perceptions right now than they realize, because the second turning has largely been kept hidden from them).

Sorry to disappoint you. I don't live in a smart phone. I prefer to identify as an Xennial since I'm also critical of millennials, in two ways. The first is their predisposition to collectivism, shared with the previous civic generation. The second is the fact that the digital gadgets made them superficial emotionally. This is a result of addiction of sorts. Interacting with these gadgets result in dopamine levels going up. It's similar to porn addiction or alcoholism. We need to fix our genes to make future generations invulnerable to addiction!

I'd say their predisposition to collectivism is their most positive trait; not that it can't go too far, indeed, but given the USA's obsession with individualism, as justification of greed, and its rulership of our country for 40 years now and counting, a strong does of collectivism helps millennials to be aware of real issues like climate change, inequality, abuse by bosses, and the need for democratic reform. The less-collectivist generations that preceded millennials are hooked on the idea of individualism, which has thoroughly blinded many of them to real issues that affect the collective. If this collectivism leads eventually to true civic engagement, then it could remedy the USA's regression and set it on a better course.

Addiction to smart phones and gadgets is a chief millennial trait. It is not genetic, and I am completely skeptical of those kinds of fixes. I think it will only be the next 2T that awakens some of them, and succeeding generations, to wake up from this virtual matrix.

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Quote:Perfected future galactic humans will only be able to make great art if they are attuned and inspired to the organic aspects of life, as well as to its mystic aspects within. Even the best purely electronic music that I know (and I know a lot of it) is inspired by experiences in nature and with spirit. Artists above all need to be sensitive to feelings and intimations that come from their lives. Machines will never accomplish this.

If wouldn't say A.I.s will never create art. But it is very likely that their art won't appeal to us, and our art won't appeal to them. Too much difference in basic mental patterns. But this is mere speculation. If by mystical aspects you mean emotions, A.I.s and transhumans will certainly need that to create true art.

Yes indeed, but AIs and transhumans will likely not have genuine emotions. But no, mystical aspects are numinous experiences of spirit as reality, within ourselves or in larger beings. The purpose of art is first of all to be a handmaiden to religion in its expression of revelation, and the most genuine revelations are not from religious authorities, but personal experiences of the beyond within.