What will/shall Xers do with their knowledge about Turnings/Archetypes?

[David Horn]

(02-08-2019, 08:38 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote:

(02-07-2019, 02:11 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-07-2019, 01:31 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: No, the cycle is not out of rhythm, if you repair the anomaly of the civil war saeculum, and restore the 1850s to 4T status. Then, in perfect timing, our early 4T has been just like the 1850s--- compromise fails, polarization rises, government and incompetent presidents fail to act, leading to a civil war.

How warlike the civil war will be in the 2020s remains to be seen. But if the timing continues on target, then circa 2025 should see some sort of break-out, and 2027 some kind of crisis climax. The saeculum will have been 83 years long if the 4T ends in 2028-29, as expected now by Mr. Howe. Since the current saeculum is like the civil war one, there is talk of another anomaly, but there really isn't one.

I agree, with the added caveat that the rate of societal change is now so high that revolutionary breaks with the past are almost immediately mundane or overcome by yet another change in society.  Most of the societal change is powered by out of control technology, with little reason to believe tech will be restrained any time soon.  Now, add AGW to the mix, and good luck to all you younger folk.

Despite all the talk about superfast rate of change, I wouldn't call the 2010s a revolutionary decade. The main cultural changes are acceptance of homosexuality and marijuana, things that were happening since the 1960s. Technology means mostly proliferation of computers (everybody has a PC, but this has been the case since the 1990s) and social media (this happened in 2006-9). Space flight and energy sources are stuck in the 1960s.

That's not where I see the change occurring, frankly.  I see change at the foundational level, where baseline assumptions are changing without leaving much of a trace.  A lot of what is now hyper-PC would have been laughable just 20 years ago, yet it's now driving the discussions we have about values.  Let's take the mess in my state of Virginia.  Initially, it was blackface that was the unforgivable sin, and still may be in the end.  Never mind that sexual assault is a class 1 felony, and should have been the more important of the two issues.  It was only the emergence of a second accuser that the roles reversed.  Now, add in the presumption of innocence, and the discussion goes right off the tracks.

Prior to the Clintons, these issues would have been page 4 below the fold (maybe not the rape accusation, but blackface certainly).  The resolutions would have been negotiated behind the scenes, and some general kumbaya statement issued by <insert the moral authority of your choice>.  I'm not arguing that this is either better or worse, just the reality of today versus a short 2 or 3 decades ago.