skipped an archetype like time before last?

[Eric the Green]

(04-24-2019, 03:21 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote:

(04-24-2019, 01:35 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(04-23-2019, 07:42 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote:

(04-23-2019, 04:08 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(04-22-2019, 10:04 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Nothing was skipped in the 20th century. The hero generation that came of age during the civil war was skipped, according to S&H. The nomad Gilded generation was followed by the adaptive/artist Progressives.

Many of us find the missed generation during the ACW an unnecessary manipulation needed to make other less important timings work.  I think yours or Mike Alexander's proposed generational map with no missing gens is the right way to attack this.   If all gens are present, the crisis has to take a different shape, but either an early start or late finish can be accommodated better than the missed gen.

Arguably this crisis took place too early. It could be argued that the crisis really started in 2001 from September 11th.

Arguable?  Yes, but not a triggering event in the normal sense.  We weren't generationally aligned or emotionally ready for a trigger, so we simply didn't react in the normal 4T manner.  Instead, we went into a 4T anguish wrapped in a 3T cocoon: a lot of sound and fury, but nothing focused on solving anything.  It's equally arguable, that we're still there.  Perhaps the threat was and still is not great enough to force our hands, so we have factional obsessions with a long list of grievances, most of which are valid to some extent.  What's lacking is any plan to constructively address them or even the will to try.  It's easier to bitch about it.  


2020 may be more of the same, or a real attempt to fix things.  We'll see.  I'm less than sanguine.

People did try to solve it but in the wrong way. People were really big on this war on terror where we would change these countries and give them democracy by knocking down their governments and invading their countries creating a power vacuum for ISIS to appear. The action of the 00s was all focused on changing these countries and giving them democracy. People thought invading these countries would save them from terrorism worldwide. I would argue 9/11 was the beginning of the 4T in some ways.

I don't argue that, but terrorism is certainly one of the elements of our current crisis, though not the main one. Like everything else though its origins go back earlier, and a lot of issues we deal with today and the factions that divide us today (the essence of our 4T) go back to the start of the 2T in 1964.

People were "big" on the wars intially, but quickly soured on them (especially the unnecessary war in Iraq), dividing the country again as it has often been since the 2T began.

Saying that people did try to solve our grievances by going to war in the Muslim world seems a strange statement. Since most of our problems and grievances are domestic, it was not only the wrong way, but way off target and not an attempt to solve anything except to fight back after the 9-11 attack.