05-17-2019, 08:21 PM
(05-17-2019, 07:18 PM)taramarie Wrote:(05-17-2019, 06:59 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote:Yes you can tell them how you feel. But I learned being louder does not make them hear you the way you wish them to. Only makes them deafer to it actually. My partner, his mother is one such person and she is very irrational, wilfully ignorant and one hell of a temper and imagination. She loves making up conspiracy theories about people around her which I have no tolerance for. She is EXACTLY the sort of person who fits the "you must think this because I say so." Which attempts to strip people of their freedom which boils my blood. Unfortunately she never listens and I have learned that what would only stop her is taking my partner by the hand, getting up and walking out of her life till she realizes (if she is capable of learning) that if she will not stop being an asshole, she will end up pushing people out of her life and will be all alone. That it will not be tolerated. Having that power to stop, get up, and walk away from toxic people is I find the most powerful message. You still will retain all of what you believe, think and feel, your freedom intact and you took it with you while leaving others to their own issues and refuse to be a part of it.(05-15-2019, 02:59 AM)taramarie Wrote:(05-15-2019, 02:41 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote:(05-15-2019, 02:28 AM)taramarie Wrote: I feel for you that you have had certain things happen in your life which caused so much anger frustration and negativity in you anyway which is saddening but I try keep that at a distance as I already have cptsd to deal with. Perception goes a long way. That said, I have no idea really what boomers over there as a whole taught their civics. I only have hearsay and that is not much really. To me the 4T is what we make of it really. My mother also said you have to listen because I say so too which makes zero sense or logic to me. I understand my generations obsession with maturity. Maybe something you could look into if interested. We agree on values have no meaning if it results in negativity. But my main thing is values also have no meaning if one does not follow through with putting words into action. Totally disagree with maturity being a stupid value. Being immature and taking problems out on others due to being an immature whiner is stupid in my books and nothing to be admired. You can at least have a conversation with a mature person who has a grip over their emotions and perhaps some mature insight.
I had parents that calmly discussed things with me and logic, reasoning, and debate were a part of my household. Whenever someone says "Listen because I say so." without giving a logical explanation, my instinct is not to listen. As for maturity, I think it results in a worse world because it makes the bullies of the world very cocky since nobody challenges them. If nobody challenges them they can do anything to people. The mature people are the ones keeping the world bad because the bad people of the world go unpunished.
You are lucky. My mother and my partners mother are crazy and tend to say "listen because I say so." Its gross and im sick of lack of logic. It is controlling and I despise it. That's not maturity. That is arrogance.
Yes so I deal with people who want to force their beliefs on me by being pushier back. I will get louder and louder until they walk away and let me have my opinion. I have zero tolerance for any bullshit people telling me I can't think one way or another. I have no time to be told "You must think this because I say so."
My goal is to punish the other person for trying to do this to me. Some people are simply too stupid to learn. If the other person gives up and leaves me alone my goal has been met IMO. I think a lot of people are bad in the world just because no one stands up to them to punish them.