05-22-2019, 12:08 PM
(05-22-2019, 03:51 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:(05-20-2019, 11:44 PM)taramarie Wrote: his is very suitable here in this forum and paints views with EVERYONE here hence we can never see eye to eye. It paints kinsers view UNLESS he can provide proof behind his prophecy of course, otherwise it reminds me of Eric. I will wait and see. I hope he is far more grounded.
My comment wasn't so much a prediction, as it was a statement of fact. Immigrants (legal or otherwise) bring their problems with them. Disarming the population while at the same time importing people from high corruption and high crime countries will inevitably lead to the most criminal and most corrupt being the most armed.
Like I said those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither. It was true when Benjamin Franklin said it, it is still true today.
Many of the illegal immigrants are running from problems that others imposed upon them -- like weak governments that could not keep the drug gangs out of the country, gangs well funded with money gotten from American addicts. The countries in which narco-traffickers have taken refuge become arenas for near-civil-wars between drug gangs. The people fleeing through Mexico would just as soon stay home and farm a small plot of land or work in some cottage industry... but the drug traffickers replete with cash and utterly devoid of any semblance of morality make such modest desires irrelevant if any community is for all practical purposes a war zone between rival drug lords.
The money comes from the consumption habits of American addicts. A long-term solution is to ease American addicts off drugs, and a short one is to do what the British do -- prescribe the drugs to addicts and have the drug users take their drugs in a clinical setting so that troublesome drugs do not have a profitable market. Meanwhile addicts get the opportunity for drug rehab.
Part of liberty is security. We need formal protections from an all-powerful state, and we all need to watch the police forces to keep them responsible. We also need to suppress blatant crime, and communities unable or unwilling to do so need different governments.
This said, governments have gotten the burden, since the Great Depression, to foster prosperity. The Great Depression was enough to crack the shaky democracy in Germany that people then failed to recognize was the difference between war and peace in Europe. Demagogues have always offered easy solutions to economic messes -- often destructive ones (like drive out the Jews, Chinese, or South Asians before they can take their property, and spread 'their' wealth among the masses) that prove destructive. Clear and well-respected title to property is obviously essential to a prosperous society that can avoid central planning.
Today I could make a slight modification to Franklin's quip:
those who sacrifice liberty for economic gain or feeling good about themselves deserve neither liberty, prosperity, nor self-esteem.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.