Spiral Dynamics and where we are in history

[Bill the Piper]

(07-01-2019, 01:27 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I'm not sure which post you are quoting there; this is my summary as I see it of the conventional view of Spiral Dynamics; not fully my own view.

I thought that was your work, or work of a group you're working with.

Quote:My Orange/Uranus Age, together with the Lemon/Neptune phase, is the Amber Rationalist Industrial Age you cite. Politics being important to spiral and planetary dynamics, I split this up into individualist classical liberal (Uranus/Orange) and socialist/social liberalism (Neptune/Lemon). This split is important, and remains the primary driver of our Red/Blue political split today, and of the Cold War before that. But I designate the two fruity memes (your Amber meme) as partners.

Fine. I've chosen amber because of Liberal Democrats, a British party devoted to Enlightenment values in many ways.

Quote:I do agree that the circa 600-500 BC era was very transformational indeed. It is called the Axis Age. This is significantly indicated by astrology, more than by spiral dynamics, which lumps the two periods together as red. In circa 577 BC Uranus, Neptune and Pluto formed a triple conjunction for the only time in history, and probably the closest such line-up in all of human existence. All 3 planets of enlightenment in conjunction is a big deal.

But for spiral and planetary dynamics, the red/Mars dominion remained in power up to the Fall of Rome (or more-exactly to the Constantine religious takeover of the empire in 300 AD), but blue/Jupiter was "rising," as I see it, from circa 570 BC to 300 AD, and that represented the philosophical and religious awakening that was growing among enlightened people and spiritual advisors, but only came into power in the Middle Ages or Age of Faith.

The Theocratic worldview in fact started with Abraham and Echnaton, about 1500 BC. We can only speculate whether the Hebrew patriarch and the heretic pharaoh knew of each other, and if so, who influenced whom. It may be the case the origins of Israelite monotheism were pushed back to conceal the Egyptian inspiration. After the failure of Echnaton's experiment, the Isralites were the only Theocratic society in a Bronze Age world, not to mention having a strong democratic streak until David and Solomon.

Pythagoras and Socrates, and Zoroaster in Persia managed to create more visible Theocratic movements, but they did not take over and the Bronze Age worldview was indeed mainstream until Constantine. Aristotle was a Bronze Age man, his perfect man was an egoistic, vain noble. By means of Aristotelian philosophies such as Thomism and Randism the Bronze Age worldview still exerts an influence.

Quote:As you probably know, I inserted a Pink/Venus Age to represent the enormous change brought by the Age of Agriculture and Herding culture around 8000 BC.

Of course, the neolithic was different from the Palaeolithic. Pink and Venus usually symbolise women, do you think the neolithic cultures were matriarchal?

Quote:The red/Mars empires and tyrants and the metal ages really got going only with Sargon in circa 2100 BC., though there was minor warlike behavior before that which I call "Mars rising."

Primitive humans were very warlike, you may know a book called "War before civilisation" by Lawrence Keeley. The statistics show more people died in warfare among hunter-gatherers than during WW2. But primitive war was poorly organised, and noone had technological advantage since everybody fought only with spears and bows. So the psychological effects of tribal wars must have been less devastating than in the age of tyrants.