Spiral Dynamics and where we are in history

[Eric the Green]

(07-08-2019, 11:24 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote:

(07-08-2019, 11:06 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I think though that is a good match overall. Although historically Red in Spiral Dynamics referred to the ancient military empires and warlords, and not to modern nations, today that Red approach is most typically apparent in the fascist and nationalist movements and states.

Nazism was a fusion of the two worldviews, Red was found in occult Nazism, represented by the SS elite and today's Satanists inspired by Nazi occultism. Lemon was represented by the socialist side of Nazism, embodied by types like Otto Strasser.

Spanish fascism was more of a fusion of Blue and Red.

Yes, but occultism is mostly a side issue; occultism is basically Purple or Green in Spiral Dynamics.  The Red in Nazism was found in its militarism and its drive for conquest. The religious element in ancient Red (besides the outright worship of the leader himself) was the worship of male war gods, and that was apparent in Nazi reverence for the German and Nordic nationalist war-god mythology celebrated by Wagner. Worship of the leader is also pretty much replicated in modern nationalist Red memes.

The Lemon element in Nazism was mostly its pseudo-scientific Social Darwinism, and its embrace of technology and industry; also its phony appeal to the working class. Fascism does provide jobs for the workers, especially in the war industry as well as infrastructure construction. But it doesn't give any political or industrial power to the workers; it takes this away. Spanish and Italian fascism used the traditional Blue element in their societies to cement their appeal to authority.

Although restrained by the constitution, and by elements in his own administration, if Trump had his way he would assume rule as a fascist dictator without any hesitation. He is literally Mussolini reincarnate, and his appeal and methods are entirely fascist.